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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2024, 02:12:01 PM »
Wow, now theres a win.

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2024, 02:18:43 PM »
 :yeah:

No lie, I'm quite surprised actually...but I'm sure the anti's are already circling the wagons with their attorneys, figuring out how/what to appeal...

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2024, 03:44:25 PM »
:yeah:

No lie, I'm quite surprised actually...but I'm sure the anti's are already circling the wagons with their attorneys, figuring out how/what to appeal...
:yeah:
Yup,that's funny right there. Wagons full circle.
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2024, 04:15:13 PM »
All the anti groups that sue over the delisting do nothing for wildlife or their habitat but claim the title of conservation; yet you look at conservation done by hunters they can show projects to improve habitat, land acquisitions, etc. All your going to see from the other side is their ability to litigate and squander money from wildlife agencies that would other wise go to real conservation efforts that benefit all citizens.

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2024, 05:09:23 PM »
All the anti groups that sue over the delisting do nothing for wildlife or their habitat but claim the title of conservation; yet you look at conservation done by hunters they can show projects to improve habitat, land acquisitions, etc. All your going to see from the other side is their ability to litigate and squander money from wildlife agencies that would other wise go to real conservation efforts that benefit all citizens.
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2024, 06:00:47 PM »
I don't see it as a win exactly. Not a loss but no change in status so kind of treading water.
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2024, 06:01:45 PM »
Considering they are not endangered, its a sad series of events that lead to this even being news.
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2024, 07:50:16 PM »
I don't see it as a win exactly. Not a loss but no change in status so kind of treading water.
:yeah:
And a step back in many ways.  The service has asked for delisting starting with the Obama administration.

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2024, 08:18:45 PM »
Anti-hunter types don't give a snit about other citizens, evident by there conservationist projects across the country. They set them up so the properties cater to their activities and needs. There's one out on Hood Canal where they've set it up for sea kayakers to launch from and picnic but By God don't even think about fly fishing from shore.

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2024, 11:02:37 AM »
They will remain on WA state's endangered list forever. This may be good news for ID, WY, and MT. But it won't affect management in WA.
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2024, 11:15:54 AM »
They will remain on WA state's endangered list forever. This may be good news for ID, WY, and MT. But it won't affect management in WA.

Every other special interest group has done what they want in Washington basically since Chop/Chaz. Hunters as a special interest group could easily handle the problem and not a damn thing the state could do. The money and resources just aren’t there. I deal with several Washington government organizations and they are all falling behind.

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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2024, 11:22:41 AM »
They will remain on WA state's endangered list forever. This may be good news for ID, WY, and MT. But it won't affect management in WA.

Every other special interest group has done what they want in Washington basically since Chop/Chaz. Hunters as a special interest group could easily handle the problem and not a damn thing the state could do. The money and resources just aren’t there. I deal with several Washington government organizations and they are all falling behind.

Organizations like Defenders and HSUS spend big money on catching wolf poachers (and nothing on elk or deer poachers). Large rewards and possibly third-party investigators are some of the tools they use. They'll stop at nothing to end hunting. The wolves are just one tool to accomplish that and they have the full support of the governor because of their generous "donations".
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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2024, 12:09:35 PM »
They will remain on WA state's endangered list forever. This may be good news for ID, WY, and MT. But it won't affect management in WA.

Every other special interest group has done what they want in Washington basically since Chop/Chaz. Hunters as a special interest group could easily handle the problem and not a damn thing the state could do. The money and resources just aren’t there. I deal with several Washington government organizations and they are all falling behind.

Organizations like Defenders and HSUS spend big money on catching wolf poachers (and nothing on elk or deer poachers). Large rewards and possibly third-party investigators are some of the tools they use. They'll stop at nothing to end hunting. The wolves are just one tool to accomplish that and they have the full support of the governor because of their generous "donations".


Wolves poach 24/7, as a predator nothing compares to their decimation of the game herds.


Good Job H-W wolf lovers, are you proud of yourselves? Was it worth all that money you made from the fake environmentalist to support wolves on hunting forums? Losing all respect from real hunters etc. once the truth was known.


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Re: No ESA listing for Gray Wolves
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2024, 03:30:28 PM »
"comprehensive plan to recover the species" is scary at best.

 


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