Eastern elk auction

[NOCK NOCK]

As usual on here, I will most likely get flogged on here for saying this.......

Makes me want to 

Go ahead with the "I'm Jealous" or "How much money these spenders are providing for the species"  ....... yet most of our herds are in decline, or the dumps.
Then tomorrow we'll all go back to complaining about how horrible ungulate hunting is in WA, and "predator pit" talk.

Glorifying things that are detrimental to our sport/heritage/passions........we are our own worst enemy!.......Hunting, in any resemblance of how we want it to be, is MOST Definitely doomed!

I don't think auction hunters are the problem with the herds, they might be one of the few reasons we get to keep hunting.  I think it is great people give this type of money to support wildlife as opposed to funding things I am against.

No, not the problem, but def. not good for our sport. I would be hugely surprised if any of these monies spent actually went to support hunting....my hunch is it prolly does more for the wolf/griz than the ungulates. We ALL know how well the commish & WDFW have done at maintaining ungulates. 
This type of "hunting" is nothing more than the wealthy buying public resources, AND, can only be viewed as Trophy hunting. Any guesses on how many of these $$$$$ hunts are about filling the freezer........or about the "400"
Ask some non hunters what they think about a guy paying 100K+ to shoot 1 elk

I have said this before, If these $$$$ guys are so concerned about supporting the ungulates.......pony up the $$ and don't shoot a bull.........but that is not what its about for them.......gotta grip and grin a 400"r and put it up in the man cave next to the last 12 they shot.

[time2hunt]

Ya leave it for the Indian


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[idahohuntr]

As usual on here, I will most likely get flogged on here for saying this.......

Makes me want to 

Go ahead with the "I'm Jealous" or "How much money these spenders are providing for the species"  ....... yet most of our herds are in decline, or the dumps.
Then tomorrow we'll all go back to complaining about how horrible ungulate hunting is in WA, and "predator pit" talk.

Glorifying things that are detrimental to our sport/heritage/passions........we are our own worst enemy!.......Hunting, in any resemblance of how we want it to be, is MOST Definitely doomed!

I don't think auction hunters are the problem with the herds, they might be one of the few reasons we get to keep hunting.  I think it is great people give this type of money to support wildlife as opposed to funding things I am against.

To be clear...they aren't giving anything. They are paying FMV. 

I agree with Nock...more harm than good...mostly a negative for the average sportsmen. Glad AZ is ending them...and I doubt they'll exist in WA, CO, and other states in the near future.

[highcountry_hunter]

As usual on here, I will most likely get flogged on here for saying this.......

Makes me want to 

Go ahead with the "I'm Jealous" or "How much money these spenders are providing for the species"  ....... yet most of our herds are in decline, or the dumps.
Then tomorrow we'll all go back to complaining about how horrible ungulate hunting is in WA, and "predator pit" talk.

Glorifying things that are detrimental to our sport/heritage/passions........we are our own worst enemy!.......Hunting, in any resemblance of how we want it to be, is MOST Definitely doomed!

I don't think auction hunters are the problem with the herds, they might be one of the few reasons we get to keep hunting.  I think it is great people give this type of money to support wildlife as opposed to funding things I am against.

To be clear...they aren't giving anything. They are paying FMV. 

I agree with Nock...more harm than good...mostly a negative for the average sportsmen. Glad AZ is ending them...and I doubt they'll exist in WA, CO, and other states in the near future.

Agreed. However I am very much in support of raffle hunts. For a small fee everyone has a chance. I’ve heard on podcasts that in other states the money raised goes directly to supporting the species that the tag is for, not sure if that’s the case in Washington or not. I doubt they’d tell us anyways and I wouldn’t believe them if they did.


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[2MANY]

Just to be clear that equals 1,170 resident tags.

[time2hunt]

As usual on here, I will most likely get flogged on here for saying this.......

Makes me want to 

Go ahead with the "I'm Jealous" or "How much money these spenders are providing for the species"  ....... yet most of our herds are in decline, or the dumps.
Then tomorrow we'll all go back to complaining about how horrible ungulate hunting is in WA, and "predator pit" talk.

Glorifying things that are detrimental to our sport/heritage/passions........we are our own worst enemy!.......Hunting, in any resemblance of how we want it to be, is MOST Definitely doomed!

I don't think auction hunters are the problem with the herds, they might be one of the few reasons we get to keep hunting.  I think it is great people give this type of money to support wildlife as opposed to funding things I am against.

To be clear...they aren't giving anything. They are paying FMV. 

I agree with Nock...more harm than good...mostly a negative for the average sportsmen. Glad AZ is ending them...and I doubt they'll exist in WA, CO, and other states in the near future.

Agreed. However I am very much in support of raffle hunts. For a small fee everyone has a chance. I’ve heard on podcasts that in other states the money raised goes directly to supporting the species that the tag is for, not sure if that’s the case in Washington or not. I doubt they’d tell us anyways and I wouldn’t believe them if they did.


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Your ok with raffle tags but it’s the same people that are bidding on the Governor tag that are buying the raffle tags and winning


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[NOCK NOCK]

Mixed feelings on raffles for me.
Sucky that the wealthy can basically (like idaho said, buy / not give) the raffles. But at the same time, at least an average hunter can have a chance as opposed to the auction.

As hunters we need to project a likeable/understandable/good image of our sport if it's going to have ANY chance of surviving.

Dads/Grandpas in the field with their kids smiling.........or rich guys paying unworldly prices and having a mob of "employees" scouting 400"rs for them just to add another trophy to the pile.

Which image best supports hunting?      Shouldn't have any disagreement on this 

[Ironhead]

I would like to see a limit on raffle tags as well and every penny should go to the species the tag is for.

[Rainier10]

A limit on raffle tags would give the same odds as the special permit draws would if we got rid of the point system and those odds suck.

[idahohuntr]

A limit on raffle tags would give the same odds as the special permit draws would if we got rid of the point system and those odds suck.

That would be my preference...every limited tag/permit goes in the regular draw. Instead of an Eastern WA auction tag...its a quality permit, valid for all of Eastern WA Sep 1- Dec 31.  Yes, odds will not be great, but that's the most consistent with NAMWC.

[Ironhead]

A limit on raffle tags would give the same odds as the special permit draws would if we got rid of the point system and those odds suck.

How do you think the odds are now for people spending 50.00 compared to someone dropping 10,000.00 or more. Those odds suck as well.

[Rainier10]

A limit on raffle tags would give the same odds as the special permit draws would if we got rid of the point system and those odds suck.

How do you think the odds are now for people spending 50.00 compared to someone dropping 10,000.00 or more. Those odds suck as well.

Im talking odds of drawing not odds compared to others in the pool.

[fishngamereaper]

If you got the money to burn why not..

How's one of these guys chasing a 400 bull any different then one of us drawing a coveted tag and looking for a 400. Besides them dropping 200k to do it and us waiting 20 years living on a prayer...
Or any quality tag for that matter. Isn't that the goal.. opportunity at an quality animal.

The only thing I wouldn't mind seeing how the money is spent but that requires transparency from wdfw...

[ShaneTyTrey]

As usual on here, I will most likely get flogged on here for saying this.......

Makes me want to 

Go ahead with the "I'm Jealous" or "How much money these spenders are providing for the species"  ....... yet most of our herds are in decline, or the dumps.
Then tomorrow we'll all go back to complaining about how horrible ungulate hunting is in WA, and "predator pit" talk.

Glorifying things that are detrimental to our sport/heritage/passions........we are our own worst enemy!.......Hunting, in any resemblance of how we want it to be, is MOST Definitely doomed!

I don't think auction hunters are the problem with the herds, they might be one of the few reasons we get to keep hunting.  I think it is great people give this type of money to support wildlife as opposed to funding things I am against.

No, not the problem, but def. not good for our sport. I would be hugely surprised if any of these monies spent actually went to support hunting....my hunch is it prolly does more for the wolf/griz than the ungulates. We ALL know how well the commish & WDFW have done at maintaining ungulates. 
This type of "hunting" is nothing more than the wealthy buying public resources, AND, can only be viewed as Trophy hunting. Any guesses on how many of these $$$$$ hunts are about filling the freezer........or about the "400"
Ask some non hunters what they think about a guy paying 100K+ to shoot 1 elk

I have said this before, If these $$$$ guys are so concerned about supporting the ungulates.......pony up the $$ and don't shoot a bull.........but that is not what its about for them.......gotta grip and grin a 400"r and put it up in the man cave next to the last 12 they shot.

So if they just donate the $200k you are ok with that, but if they get to shoot a bull for donating the $200k then that is a problem?  I agree that the money should be accountable to go to that species (and in other states it absolutely does, and they show where it goes).  If I could donate any amount of money, or donate the same amount and get something for it, I will take something for it. 

The world is set up to benefit those with more resources, those people live in nicer neighborhoods, drive nicer cars, take nicer vacations, and also pay a lot more taxes to help run all the free programs. 

Are you against people going on guided hunts on outfitter allocated tags too?  It is really the same thing, except auction tags go to the organization who sells them to be spent on conservation, instead of just into another persons hands.

We can agree to disagree, but I couldn't disagree more.  If they had more of these tags, that would be problematic, but 1 tag per species to help raise funds that otherwise wouldn't get spent, I feel is a win for conservation if the money is used correctly.

[idahohuntr]

If they had more of these tags, that would be problematic, but 1 tag per species to help raise funds that otherwise wouldn't get spent, I feel is a win for conservation if the money is used correctly.

The 'funds for conservation' argument doesn't hold water.  It is a charade to allow for some deviation from the NAMWC.  It is just not logical to suggest auction tags amount to anything remotely meaningful when it comes to wildlife conservation and management.