Eastern elk auction

[NOCK NOCK]

Also, to address the paying for it .....get something for it theory.

How many massive sheep/elk/moose/etc. does one guy need to kill? 
If I was in the position to spend 20-$200k every year to kill one animal.................knowing that there are average dudes out there who would give their left dangler for a chance to shoot just 1.........I would feel like a total Dbag about my self being so unfriendly to another hunter. 

Just because your wealthy.......does not mean you have to have no respect for your fellow sportsman.



Me, I'd buy the auction permit, in the name of a pre selected fellow hunter whom I felt deserved it...... more than me, shooting 5 sheep/elk/moose cause I could.     

I was taught to share my good fortunes!   

Peace out!

[highcountry_hunter]

You guys all support the raffle tags, but they don't work as well.

In 2023 here is what was raised in raffle tag proceeds.
Sheep 6,296 tickets @ $11.50/each = $72,404
Blacktail 1,4898 tickets @ $6/each = $8,988
Mule Deer 4,569 tickets @ $6/each =$27,414
White Tail 1,905 tickets @ $6/each = $11,430
Eastside Elk 11,301 tickets @ $6/each =$67,806
Westside Elk $2,481 tickets @ $6/each = $14,886
Moose with (2) tags 8,011 tickets @ $6/each = $48,066 or $24,033/each
Mountain Goat 4,524 tickets @ $6/each = $27,144
Three Deer 1,657 tickets @ $17each = $28,169

That is a total of $306,307

The auction proceeds for those same animals were:
Sheep  = $256,500
Blacktail  = $7,500
Mule Deer = $42,500
White Tail  = $7,500
Eastside Elk  = $132,000
Westside Elk = $50,000
Moose with (1) tag  = $50,000
Mountain Goat = $26,000
Three Deer = $37,500

That is a total of $609,500

These tags do the exact same thing, but the raffle brings in 1/2 the money.  You also had one less Moose tag that would have brought close to another $50,000 given it was bid up that high.  Only difference is everyone has a fraction of an opportunity.  How are these any different for the NAMWC.

Thanks for putting this together for us! That’s good info. Maybe instead of bickering amongst ourselves we should be asking WDFW where the money from these raffles auctions went to and why they weren’t used for habitat restoration and improvement for each species.


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[fishngamereaper]

WSF in Reno this year raised over 6 million from auctions.
Over 3 million came from sheep tags alone...

Are these auctions a bad look and bad for average hunters..

I'm certainly not offended.

Apparently neither is NACM spokesman Mahoney.

[NOCK NOCK]

Maybe I'm off on this.

Is it not selling of public property to the highest bidder? 

Wild Animals being "public property" is another hard one for me. They are, and should be free roaming, and owned by no one. Managed of course, but not owned.  Auction permits are not managing, simply a money grab. If WDFW does anything that costs hunters more we complain, but this type of deal we celebrate. 

[huntnnw]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

[NOCK NOCK]

WA is not AZ

[ShaneTyTrey]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

Exactly, we can't control what WA does with the money, but suggesting the tag sells don't generate more opportunity for conservation is crazy.  Arizona, Utah and other states have put more sheep on the mountain through auction tags.  You need the right people in control of the purse strings.

One thing Utah does right is giving the the tags to conservation organizations to auction, that way they control the proceeds and how they are spent. 

[Tbar]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

Exactly, we can't control what WA does with the money, but suggesting the tag sells don't generate more opportunity for conservation is crazy.  Arizona, Utah and other states have put more sheep on the mountain through auction tags.  You need the right people in control of the purse strings.

One thing Utah does right is giving the the tags to conservation organizations to auction, that way they control the proceeds and how they are spent.

Utah is the (Crown) jewel of the conservation fears. It's managed for the sale of wildlife.  What do you define as conservation? More opportunity? Or more inches and less opportunity  like Utah? If we are talking about damage to rank and file,  Utah is a prime example of a switch to a hybrid kings model.  If we want opportunity and to stick to the principle of democratic rule we quickly switch from broad support within the non hunting public to almost complete damnation. Society rejection of strict trophy hunting is very clear. While support for general hunting is at least in the ~70% range.

[Houndhunter]

Why wouldn't a state utilize a renewable resource to raise money? It's a handful of tags that raises an incredible amount of money for wildlife.

[Tbar]

Why wouldn't a state utilize a renewable resource to raise money? It's a handful of tags that raises an incredible amount of money for wildlife.

Is it a commodity or a public trust resource?

[ShaneTyTrey]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

Exactly, we can't control what WA does with the money, but suggesting the tag sells don't generate more opportunity for conservation is crazy.  Arizona, Utah and other states have put more sheep on the mountain through auction tags.  You need the right people in control of the purse strings.

One thing Utah does right is giving the the tags to conservation organizations to auction, that way they control the proceeds and how they are spent.

Utah is the (Crown) jewel of the conservation fears. It's managed for the sale of wildlife.  What do you define as conservation? More opportunity? Or more inches and less opportunity  like Utah? If we are talking about damage to rank and file,  Utah is a prime example of a switch to a hybrid kings model.  If we want opportunity and to stick to the principle of democratic rule we quickly switch from broad support within the non hunting public to almost complete damnation. Society rejection of strict trophy hunting is very clear. While support for general hunting is at least in the ~70% range.

I couldn't disagree more.  The damage to rank and file hunter is the greed of having to have a tag every year, we don't have the resources to support the demand.  All tags in this state should be on a draw system.  We have way more hunters than resources available, so public land hunting has mostly become a joke. 

It could easily be argued that WA is the worst model of hunting in the country.  Our management of OTC tags and our draw system is atrocious. 

This is democracy though, so you have your opinion and I have mine, we will never agree, and that is ok.

[Tbar]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

Exactly, we can't control what WA does with the money, but suggesting the tag sells don't generate more opportunity for conservation is crazy.  Arizona, Utah and other states have put more sheep on the mountain through auction tags.  You need the right people in control of the purse strings.

One thing Utah does right is giving the the tags to conservation organizations to auction, that way they control the proceeds and how they are spent.

Utah is the (Crown) jewel of the conservation fears. It's managed for the sale of wildlife.  What do you define as conservation? More opportunity? Or more inches and less opportunity  like Utah? If we are talking about damage to rank and file,  Utah is a prime example of a switch to a hybrid kings model.  If we want opportunity and to stick to the principle of democratic rule we quickly switch from broad support within the non hunting public to almost complete damnation. Society rejection of strict trophy hunting is very clear. While support for general hunting is at least in the ~70% range.

I couldn't disagree more.  The damage to rank and file hunter is the greed of having to have a tag every year, we don't have the resources to support the demand.  All tags in this state should be on a draw system.  We have way more hunters than resources available, so public land hunting has mostly become a joke. 

It could easily be argued that WA is the worst model of hunting in the country.  Our management of OTC tags and our draw system is atrocious. 

This is democracy though, so you have your opinion and I have mine, we will never agree, and that is ok.

We are not in the majority on either side so our opinions are mostly irrelevant.  The optics of places like Utah will be very detrimental to our hunting future.  Meanwhile hunting like the member @buglebuster does with his family annually may save our collective interests.

[ShaneTyTrey]

My favorite hunt each year, is with my family in WA.  We harvest the smallest bucks and typically harvest the first 3 point we see (at least the kids for sure).  That being said, if only a couple of us had the tag each year, that wouldn't limit the experience and would be better overall management of the resource.

[idahohuntr]

what these auction tags in AZ did was a lot! and AZ was the most transparent western state when it came to these tags and how money was spent. These auction tags for sheep have helped put alot more sheep on the mountain which in turn give the avg joe more tags to apply for.

Exactly, we can't control what WA does with the money, but suggesting the tag sells don't generate more opportunity for conservation is crazy.  Arizona, Utah and other states have put more sheep on the mountain through auction tags.  You need the right people in control of the purse strings.

One thing Utah does right is giving the the tags to conservation organizations to auction, that way they control the proceeds and how they are spent.

Utah is the (Crown) jewel of the conservation fears. It's managed for the sale of wildlife.  What do you define as conservation? More opportunity? Or more inches and less opportunity  like Utah? If we are talking about damage to rank and file,  Utah is a prime example of a switch to a hybrid kings model.  If we want opportunity and to stick to the principle of democratic rule we quickly switch from broad support within the non hunting public to almost complete damnation. Society rejection of strict trophy hunting is very clear. While support for general hunting is at least in the ~70% range.

Well said.

And Utah politicians should be in jail for how they've managed the public trust resource...but thats a whole different thread.

[kentrek]

. Society rejection of strict trophy hunting is very clear. While support for general hunting is at least in the ~70% range.

This is simply because of a lack of education and understanding.