Anti-"Flossing"/Leader Length Restriction

[Platensek-po]

Give wardens more leeway and their voice more weight in court..  they say  you were snagging YOU WERE SNAGGING. hell if your "Drift fishing" with just a corkie for fall salmon  no question about it you are snagging  if there is a pool full of you all fishing corkies, you're all snaggers.. yeah  you've been doing it  your whole life and you don't think of yourself as a poacher but you are.   if you have to hook a number of fish to get one  " in the mouth"  you are a poacher.
 regulations.. " the fish must voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth"    everything else is snagging.  hmm yeah maybe not provable in court but you know you're doing it and you should  feel guilt and shame over it and stop doing it or not be offended when someone calls you a poacher you cannot have it both ways.

Below the hatchery on the Satsop yeah you're a snagger
 Oak Park on the Washougal  yeah you're a snagger
hatchery hole on the North Lewis  snaggers
 the lower fly water on the Kalama, yeah you've got a fly rod but you're still a snagger

 how about you just leave the corkies at home, buy some bobbers, buy some eggs or throw some spinners and just do things right

 snaggers  are NOT recreational anglers... they are poachers,  no different than shooting an elk out of season

How would anyone know if a fish voluntarily took the hook in the mouth?
This statement is super bizarre. Guess next time I’ll ask the fish if he meant to bit the hook or not.

[furbearer365]

Give wardens more leeway and their voice more weight in court..  they say  you were snagging YOU WERE SNAGGING. hell if your "Drift fishing" with just a corkie for fall salmon  no question about it you are snagging  if there is a pool full of you all fishing corkies, you're all snaggers.. yeah  you've been doing it  your whole life and you don't think of yourself as a poacher but you are.   if you have to hook a number of fish to get one  " in the mouth"  you are a poacher.
 regulations.. " the fish must voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth"    everything else is snagging.  hmm yeah maybe not provable in court but you know you're doing it and you should  feel guilt and shame over it and stop doing it or not be offended when someone calls you a poacher you cannot have it both ways.

Below the hatchery on the Satsop yeah you're a snagger
 Oak Park on the Washougal  yeah you're a snagger
hatchery hole on the North Lewis  snaggers
 the lower fly water on the Kalama, yeah you've got a fly rod but you're still a snagger

 how about you just leave the corkies at home, buy some bobbers, buy some eggs or throw some spinners and just do things right

 snaggers  are NOT recreational anglers... they are poachers,  no different than shooting an elk out of season

How would anyone know if a fish voluntarily took the hook in the mouth?
This statement is super bizarre. Guess next time I’ll ask the fish if he meant to bit the hook or not.

It's not super bizarre. The point he's making is really basic. There is a difference between ethics and law. Law needs to be proven, ethics are an unspoken rule. Both of which have merit in hunting and fishing. His point is, people who snag know they are doing so, and they know if a fish is caught from a bite, or caught from a line bump. If you want to play dumb and act like since you can't prove a difference in court, that shows who you are as an outdoorsman

[Platensek-po]

Give wardens more leeway and their voice more weight in court..  they say  you were snagging YOU WERE SNAGGING. hell if your "Drift fishing" with just a corkie for fall salmon  no question about it you are snagging  if there is a pool full of you all fishing corkies, you're all snaggers.. yeah  you've been doing it  your whole life and you don't think of yourself as a poacher but you are.   if you have to hook a number of fish to get one  " in the mouth"  you are a poacher.
 regulations.. " the fish must voluntarily take the hooks into it's mouth"    everything else is snagging.  hmm yeah maybe not provable in court but you know you're doing it and you should  feel guilt and shame over it and stop doing it or not be offended when someone calls you a poacher you cannot have it both ways.

Below the hatchery on the Satsop yeah you're a snagger
 Oak Park on the Washougal  yeah you're a snagger
hatchery hole on the North Lewis  snaggers
 the lower fly water on the Kalama, yeah you've got a fly rod but you're still a snagger

 how about you just leave the corkies at home, buy some bobbers, buy some eggs or throw some spinners and just do things right

 snaggers  are NOT recreational anglers... they are poachers,  no different than shooting an elk out of season

How would anyone know if a fish voluntarily took the hook in the mouth?
This statement is super bizarre. Guess next time I’ll ask the fish if he meant to bit the hook or not.

It's not super bizarre. The point he's making is really basic. There is a difference between ethics and law. Law needs to be proven, ethics are an unspoken rule. Both of which have merit in hunting and fishing. His point is, people who snag know they are doing so, and they know if a fish is caught from a bite, or caught from a line bump. If you want to play dumb and act like since you can't prove a difference in court, that shows who you are as an outdoorsman

lol. I have caught uncountable steelhead fly fishing and with just a bead or ez eggs. Every single one hooked in the mouth. Yet according to him that’s snagging cause it’s not using bait or a spinner?? I e also caught fish foul hooked with spinners in the head cause they missed the take, is that a snagged fish?

[snake]

we need more laws, more rules, more government.  snagging being illegal is not enough. we need the government to protect us and the salmon. More laws please.

[bigtex]

Flossing is the only way to catch fish in the puke and carbon. Inch or two of visibility.

What do you think people did to catch fish before flossing came around? People still caught fish, just not to the levels they do now.

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[Taco280AI]

No. There is a lot of fishing using longer leaders that aren't flossing.

 

And we don't need more and more and more laws/regs about what we can't do.

[bigtex]

Sounds like it's already illegal...

Come on DFW...get it together

Like I said, flossing is illegal but its difficult to prove. That's why Oregon and others instituted a leader length restriction.

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Well unless you guys can interview the fish....But..
Ya based on the way WA laws are written...it seems impossible to prove.
Who's pushing the proposed rule... BIOS or Enforcement?

It's fishing groups organizing the petition. I assume if/when it comes up formally that Enforcement will support it.

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[Tbar]

Sounds like it's already illegal...

Come on DFW...get it together

Like I said, flossing is illegal but its difficult to prove. That's why Oregon and others instituted a leader length restriction.

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Well unless you guys can interview the fish....But..
Ya based on the way WA laws are written...it seems impossible to prove.
Who's pushing the proposed rule... BIOS or Enforcement?

It's fishing groups organizing the petition. I assume if/when it comes up formally that Enforcement will support it.

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Which groups?

[Macs B]

Would it be considered flossing if the fish runs his mouth into my gill or drift net without actually biting it?