How much orange?

[BigGoonTuna]

Being that this is going to be my first year bird hunting, how much orange is enough to satisfy our state's requirements?  Most of the upland bird vests i see seem to be khaki with orange pockets and a big orange patch on the back.  Is that enough, or is a full orange vest necessary?

Sure would be nice if the manufacturers would list how many square inches of orange is on their product.

[Dave Workman]

400 square inches, cap and vest.

[chukarchaser]

I know what you mean about the vests being marginal and I use one of those mother packs so it is primarily on my back, so Like Dave stated I use a cap and have had no issues.

[follow maggie]

It can be really hard to tell what's 400 square inches, especially when not all in the same place.  I wear a bright orange shirt under mine to make sure I'm good.  A hat is always a good idea in taller stuff.

[shoot-em-dead]

Your average vest is about 1200 square inches. A ball cap is around 350. Just remember the law says 400 and visible from all sides.

[bobcat]

I don't see how a hat could be 350 square inches. I've always figured more like 100.

400 square inches would be 20 inches by 20 inches. So to make 350 your hat would have to be almost 20x20.

[follow maggie]

It's 400" total.  It doesn't have to be on the same piece of clothing.  Also helps with the visible from every direction rule to have it on more than one piece of clothing.

[bobcat]

All I was saying is that a ball cap can't possibly be 350 square inches. Do the math, see what you get.

[Dave Workman]

Okay swell, A ball cap isn't 400 sq. in.
We got that.
 
 

Now, it may be camo orange or solid orange. I wear orange on opening day of grouse season while hunting up on S. Cle Elum Ridge primarily because for the past 3-4 years, maybe longer, there has been a certain group of folks up there shooting at everything that moves, it seems.

[bobcat]

Okay swell, A ball cap isn't 400 sq. in.
We got that.
 
 

Well, shoot em dead said it's 350 square inches. I'm saying it would be about 100 square inches. I haven't seen anybody confirm or deny that. I was hoping shoot em dead would post and say how he figures it would be 350  

He sounded pretty sure of himself. I'm wondering if he knows something I don't. All I can think of is he's counting the outside of the hat AND the inside?   Seriously maybe I'm figuring it wrong. I don't know. If a hat were 350 square inches you'd just about meet the requirement with just a hat.

With the hat and a vest like the one I have for bird hunting, that has just a patch of orange on each shoulder, I would meet the 400 inch requirement. But I don't think I'm legal with that. So far I haven't had a game warden say anything so I don't know. But that's the vest I have so I'll continue to wear it plus a hat.

[Curly]

Maybe Shoot-em-dead just has a really big head.  

I figure that a cap would have about 75 sq. in. 

[BigGoonTuna]

alright, now to hijack my own thread, who makes a good vest?  i'm feeling like a little kid here, fished steelhead for 18 years but never hunted before.  thanks!

[huntingfool7]

I have several vests.  Of those I always wear one of two Mother's.
They fit well and don't shift around, especially when chucker hunting.

[shoot-em-dead]

I've been out and about today and just got on. Bobcat I see what your saying and your right. Guess I had a brain fart and posted without thinking about how small a ball cap really is.

[chukarchaser]

I also have Mothers vest, but you might also go to quilomene.com and check out there vests.  I think my next may come from them.