Idaho on the verge of outlawing

[CarbonHunter]

And just because one hunter only gets images sent to him twice a day there are others that have these cameras setup with additional batteries and solar panels that have these pictures sent live. Some people will even have several cameras setup so that they are “hunting” multiple locations at once and move to the other location if something shows up.

Sorry, but this is BS.  This is the argument guys who've never used one always bring up.  But it's just not practical.  It's fantasy.

Fred just because you're not doing it doesn't mean it isn't being done. I have first hand photos on my phone of a bear and a bull both killed in exactly this manner within the last 2 weeks alone. Hunter was at home at the time of notification on both.

I also find it interesting that so many guys view the self-regulation of technology as a threat to hunting, I see it quite the opposite. Cellular trail cams by themselves are not going to make or break herd numbers but there is an undeniable cumulative effect when you add up cell cams, long range thermal scanners, long range rifles, auto compensating bluetooth reticles, etc etc etc.

This proposal was brought forth by hunters, not by IDFG, who overwhelmingly support the self-regulation of tech in order to preserve opportunity because they know there is an inverse correlation between hunter over-efficiency and tag availability. I find it ironic that some of the people on this thread who complain about how hard it is to draw tags also simultaneously support a technology free-for-all as if one has no effect on the other

Just because you and your small group of friends haven’t seen something doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It appears you also only have experience with the simple cell cameras from the Walmart or Cabela’s. These rules are being developed to address much more complex cameras than what you are using.

I work in the security integration business and I have access to demo cell trailers all across the country that I can view live and have analytic events sent directly to my phone. The technology is there and it is very reliable.

About 5 years ago I asked one of the camera manufacturers if they could develop analytics to differentiate between animals and humans and possibly the type of animal. He said no and then came back a year later and said they had rich hunters with land in the south request these analytics to deploy on their property to manage and track herds.

We now manufacture a solar camera unit that has analytics out to about 100 yards with a PTZ and 360* view that can send instant images and video clips to the owner through either LTE cell or even Starlink if there is no cell service. These high quality professional setups start at $10k which is nothing for some of these hunters who spend six figures a year on hunting.

This is why laws are needed to battle technology. And just because you haven’t seen it in your small Idaho town doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and that it’s not happening.

[2MANY]

Amen.

Wont be long and "hunters" will be shooting a chip into trophy animals before the season and then tracking it down during the season for the grip and grin.

I would 100% support moving to 100% traditional and having a longer season.

Quite pathetic how desperate the YouTube crowd is.

[JWBINX]

BAN EM!
People think just because they have a camera set up that's their spot.

[NOCK NOCK]

I’m a Bow Hunter.  I think modern firearms/muzzy are to easy. Let’s ban them.

I’m a Rifle Hunter. I think Archery/muzzy wounds too many critters. Let’s ban it.

I’m a Muzzy Hunter.    Hell let’s ban muzzy too then.

End result…….

.NOBODY hunts.

Every single “takeaway” is just one step closer to the END of hunting period.


If you can’t understand that ….,….you are part of the problem.

[NOCK NOCK]

BAN EM!
People think just because they have a camera set up that's their spot.

And people think if they are first at a gate, it’s their spot.
Let’s just ban parking at a gate now.

Problem sloved

[Stein]

Just because we use some technology like phones and vehicles doesn't mean we should use all technology.  If not, then the argument would be that hunters should be able to do whatever they want: drones, helicopters, thermal and night vision and whatever else we can think of.

Restricting ourselves in one area doesn't mean the end of hunting or we are selling each other out.

[MR5x5]

I thought we were so worried about perception and image??  I can pretty much guarantee you that the non hunting crowd would look down on the use of cell cams.

[mikey549]

Just asking. A good friend told me the other day that he ran into a rep from company that was not named. He had a nice 6 point bull in the bed of his truck. He also mentioned that he ran 38 cameras in the surrounding areas. Does he run that many cameras thinking that they are not an advantage?

[NOCK NOCK]

Bad people do bad things. You can make anything illegal and people will still do it.

My guess is the vast majority of hunters do not use cell cameras in a nefarious way.  I use a lot of cameras, both Cell and non, and never once have any of them help me kill an animal.

How many of you who want to ban cell cameras also long range shooters? What kind of image does that portray taking out a critter at 800 to 1000 ? 

Let’s ban long range guns.

How many own binos?  Banned.
Are you riding a horse to your hunting or are you taking your Chevy or Ford?  Banned

I totally get wanting to control some technologies, but again back to my first statement bad people will do bad things….. the average Joe hunter is not sitting at his computer looking at cameras waiting for it to tell him there’s a critter there to kill so he can run out and do it. That’s just silly to think that happens a lot.

It’s really simple, be a good hunter, follow the laws, do it right, and mind your own business.
Hunters bitching about hunters are far worse than the Anti’s ever will be

[CarbonHunter]

Every technology has to have a limit. I believe banning cell cameras is consistent with most other rules regulating electronic devices and other automated devices used for hunting.

A long range hunter that holds the rifles and pulls the trigger is a manual process. Same as the hunter that holds his binos. These examples being given aren’t even comparable.

If the long range hunter mounts a scope on the rifle that automatically adjusts for the distance, that is illegal in many states, including Idaho. If the hunter flys a drone to look beyond the line of site of his binos, that is illegal. You cannot hunt from a motor vehicle unless you are disabled.

To call this a matter of hunters complaining is foolish. It’s a great example of hunters using the rule making process to self regulate the way hunting is conducted to ensure it is ethical and fair chase is being considered when deciding what equipment can be used.

Listening to the arguments for not banning these cameras sounds a lot like listening to democrats calling their opposition names instead of providing a logical reason why these cell cameras should be allowed during hunting season.

If someone has a reason why these should be allowed to be used during hunting season, let’s hear it!  So far the only reason I see is because you want to use them and don’t want to be regulated.

[Mtnwalker]

Curious Nock Nock, as tech continues to advance and inevitably 5-10 years from now things will exist that we can't even fathom today, where do you see it acceptable to draw the line? Are you of the opinion that whatever comes along we just embrace it because anything less is an attack on hunting? This provision also addresses the use of thermal and night vision which is spreading like wildfire right now, especially in Idaho. Do you disagree with regulating that also?

[mikey549]

Of all the technology advancements over the years, none of them do what cameras do. If you set out say 20 cameras and get consistent pictures on 5 of them, where are you going to hunt? Cameras put people in the woods where they are getting pictures of animals !

[storyteller]

Is wyoming an anti hunting state?   They outlaw Cellular trail cam but not standard cams.   On forum today, you can see bull pictures in Nile complete with road number.

[WoolyRunner]

I’m against. The more ground we allow to be taken, the more leverage they have.

[NOCK NOCK]

Every technology has to have a limit. I believe banning cell cameras is consistent with most other rules regulating electronic devices and other automated devices used for hunting.

A long range hunter that holds the rifles and pulls the trigger is a manual process. Same as the hunter that holds his binos. These examples being given aren’t even comparable. ( TO YOU)

If the long range hunter mounts a scope on the rifle that automatically adjusts for the distance, that is illegal in many states, including Idaho. If the hunter flys a drone to look beyond the line of site of his binos, that is illegal. You cannot hunt from a motor vehicle unless you are disabled.

To call this a matter of hunters complaining is foolish. It’s a great example of hunters using the rule making process to self regulate the way hunting is conducted to ensure it is ethical and fair chase is being considered when deciding what equipment can be used.

Listening to the arguments for not banning these cameras sounds a lot like listening to democrats calling their opposition names instead of providing a logical reason why these cell cameras should be allowed during hunting season.

If someone has a reason why these should be allowed to be used during hunting season, let’s hear it!  So far the only reason I see is because you want to use them and don’t want to be regulated.

Ethics/morals vary by the individual.  Is shooting a critter at 800 yards fair chase?

A logical reason....Its a camera, it does not shoot/kill an animal, it simply takes pictures.  I use them every year, they are FUN!

Folks that dont like cams always go to the "hunters get a notification and then rush in to shoot the animal" scenario. In reality that probably RARELY ever happens. Has it happened, probably, but it is a drop in the ocean to what really happens by decent ethical hunters. Animals just dont lounge in front of cams all day long, even when salt/minerals was legal.