why no scopes?

[bankwalker]

can you use scopes on muzzleloaders in washington? i have seen alot of pics with people and thier ML kills, but never any guns with scopes.

[carpsniperg2]

no not legal at all unless you visually impared and get a disabled card for it.

[rasbo]

Im glad we cant have scopes on muzzies.

[Whitelightning]

No scopes, but I have converted most of my M/L's to Peep site. My eye's are not what they used to be and the peep helps me alot.

[boneaddict]

Supposed to be primitive

[lewy]

I understand the whole traditional argument, exposed breech, etc. But a scope inst going to help your muzzy go off in the rain, so why not allow it- i think it would allow for more accurate shots, cleaner kills, and less loss game. For the people that don't like the idea, they can leave there peeps on.....

[bobcat]

If someone wants to hunt with a scope they just need to hunt the modern firearm season. Simple as that.

[GoldTip]

I know several guys who use the scopes due to vision disabilities.  They actually say they're not sure it is an asset, but they can't see without them.  I agree, it should remain primitive, but I do like that they have changed the ruling to allow it for guys who's eyesight is degradd to the point the would have to give up Muzzy hunting without them.

[Wacenturion]

I understand the whole traditional argument, exposed breech, etc. But a scope inst going to help your muzzy go off in the rain, so why not allow it- i think it would allow for more accurate shots, cleaner kills, and less loss game. For the people that don't like the idea, they can leave there peeps on.....

I can certainly understand your point of view.....and for those who disagree, you don't have to be visibly impaired to not see down a unscoped barrel without problems.  Just wait till some of you need glasses with bifocals...you cannot see the front and rear together in clarity.

[whacker1]

scopes would allow for cleaner shot at close range, but they would also allow folks to feel more comfortable with shots at longer range, which would in turn provide for poor shot placement. 

I target shot with scope on mine to determine which bullet was the most accurate, and then went back to a peep sight for hunting.  you definitely can shoot farther with the scope, but I can see myself taking shots outside the capacity of the muzzleloader.  Better to go with out the scope

[Whitelightning]

Scopes have been around for a Long time, not in the fashion we have today. I think saying scopes are not primitive is arguable. I am not saying they should be aloud however.
The inline was invented in 1812 by Pauley also. Seems kind of primitive too.

[carpsniperg2]

i use peep sights on both of mine and shoot both of them very well. there are people on here that can shoot great at 200 yards with them  but i am fine at 100-125

[ribka]

Primitive= good

Too many states that I have ml/archery hunted in started years ago with primitive weapons' rules
Over the years any states incrementally allowed  changes in regs: scopes, closed breech etc.. Soon no difference than single shot modern rifle.
I am in my mid 40's and eye sight is changing still would stick with same primitive rules.

Same with archery season. Used to be no crossbows. Now with the advancement of archery technology and strong lobby by cross bow makers has resulted in many states no allowing crossbows in regular archery season.

A few people want to argue that less loss of game with allowance of more modern technology in archery and ml. Why not just cancel those seasons and mandate modern firearms with 30 cal. or more rifles?

Over the years, based on my opinion, people's lack of basic hunting skills, ( scouting, hiking away from the access areas ( roads) , no tracking skills, stalking skills,) and  plain laziness has resulted in the allowance of more modern technology during supposed primitive seasons.
Keep it primitive in WA. ID has the same rules. If you don't agree switch to modern firearms
 

[bankwalker]

ive always wanted to hunt muzzleloader, but i cant shoot open sights. having very poor vision, i cant make out the sights. so a scope is needed. plus the frame of my glasses if very small so i see the sights in the upper corner of my eyes, outside the frame.

its cheaper for my to buy a muzzlerloader with a scope then it is to buy new glasses 

yes my eyes are that bad, the cheapest anywhere will make lenses for me is $250.  right now im walking around with super glue on my lenses cause i cant afford new ones 

[jstone]

Should keep it as primitive as can be. If we have them with scopes and shoot hundreds of yards why have a muzzy season