OUT OF CONTROL WOLVES Pack IN WA! 12/06/09

[300winmag]

I was wondering where all this wolf action is going on right now? I am very worried about the possability of them put those killing machines in our willapa hills. If they do our elk heard they have worked so hard to rebuild in the last 10 years will be toast.Our deer heard here already sucks do to the hair loss disease and poachers oh I mean the brush pickers.I cant speek for anyone but myself  but I will gut shoot everyone I can find if they just so happen to show up here. I know its not the answer and it sure wont stop then but it sure cant hurt either.

[MichaelJ]

Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.

Michael

  Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.

I know for a fact u won't shut up about wolves and what they are doing to our game herds in the western states... I don't like them being in the Methow anymore than you do (or anywhere in the US for that matter).  However you are ALWAYS B!TCHING and moaning and saying that you KNOW the WDFW is monitoring more than one wolf pack...  Show some proof!  Thats like me calling you a poacher without having ANY proof...  Until you do, everybody on here is going to continue to think ur a NTAC...

So go back out and tend ur sheep and don't forget to keep protection on ur person!

Michael

[wolfbait]

Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.

Michael

  Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.

I know for a fact u won't shut up about wolves and what they are doing to our game herds in the western states... I don't like them being in the Methow anymore than you do (or anywhere in the US for that matter).  However you are ALWAYS B!TCHING and moaning and saying that you KNOW the WDFW is monitoring more than one wolf pack...  Show some proof!  Thats like me calling you a poacher without having ANY proof...  Until you do, everybody on here is going to continue to think ur a NTAC...

So go back out and tend ur sheep and don't forget to keep protection on ur person!

Michael

 Ur pretty dang important to be able to speak for everyone, how did you aquire such presteage? Maybe you should bring your sleeping bag and come and spend a little more time in the M.Valley. Get to know your wolves a little better. Don't think I want any sheep they don't hold up to well in wolf country. 12/7/09: FWS releases depredation numbers
(By Cat Urbigkit, Pinedale Online!) The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reports that as of the first week of December 2009, these are Wyoming's depredation numbers: A total of 195 sheep were killed, with 14 wolves killed in responding control actions. Thirty-seven sheep were killed in the Upper Green, along with six wolves; 113 sheep and three wolves in the Big Horn Mountains; and 45 sheep and five wolves in the Dog Creek area of the Snake River country. Twenty-one head of cattle were killed in eight areas, with 16 wolves killed in control actions. All but about 10 of the cattle were killed in various areas of Sublette County. In addition, seven dogs were killed by wolves in Wyoming so far this year. I thought mostly my bitching and moaning was more about everything the wolf has done and continues to do to the states where they were released, sorry to have dwelled on how many wolves ur buddy fitkin is watching. I guess time will tell how many wolves we have, than perhaps you and your clan can tell me how the wolves grew so fast in such a short period of time! Maybe you would like to PM me and tell me what NTAC is, that way I could respond a little better.

[Skyvalhunter]

presteage is that similar to prestige?

[wolfbait]

presteage is that similar to prestige?

Yep, means the same thing just takes up more paper

[MichaelJ]

I don't doubt any of those livestock kill numbers you just posted.  I remember them being posted on here before and its bullchit, I hate wolfs and hope they all get Parvo or just mysteriously die...  HOWEVER, you are being called out for the third time to show some proof that a 2nd pack of wolves (or more) is being monitored by the WDFW.  You can't, you know you can't.....

Michael

FYI- NTAC = no talent @#$ clown

[mulehunter]

Someone Locked my thread Earlier today, and I asked adm to unlock it and please calm and lets see what happen in our future. You all did BEST you can to share everything from your and our view from state to state. Wolves are really SUCKS anyway but  We all know that its going getting worst in few years. Let them deal with 2nd pack hopefully they arent up there but I have a big feeling they are there somewhere because I witnessed. But we will wait and let Biologlist find out themself.  Last week Twisp residence Witnessed saw pack walking thur Orchard by river behind Hank Market.  I believe people in Twisp. They arent lying. Also other people from Mormon Church saw Pack walking thur Church property other day. I am sure you people think this is JOKE but its happening. I dont want to fight over this because all of us from all over Wa hasnt EXPERIENCE this Methow Valley very well. Someone had to follow them all the times to know what their CYCLE traffic everyday.

Thank you all people for your good feedback about how thing will be like in future and know what best for all of us.
We gotta do something about it. Write to WDFW Complaint all u can. It wont hurt anything but help fight with them.


Mulehunter 

[Axle]

I like what Mulehunter has to say. I can't understand much of it but I sure do like the way he puts his heart into it.

Keep up the good work Mulehunter! 

[Kain]

Yep love the pictures and the effort he puts in.  Talking about it is one thing but he does the work and tries to back up what he says.  I am not anti wolf but I would rather have no wolves than have WDFW have anything to do with managing them.   

[bearpaw]

I agree mulehunter has his heart in this controversial issue and he provides more actual proof of wolves in Washington than anyone outside the WDFW that I know of in the state.

I believe that wolfbait has his heart in this issue too, maybe he gets a little excited now and then, and maybe he hasn't provided the proof he talks about, but there may be reasons connected with this lawsuit he speaks about in Okanogan County. No one else in this state to my knowledge has gone to as half as much effort to dig up as much information about wolves for everyone to read as what wolfbait has. On top of that, he puts up with a lot of flack back from some of you guys but still hasn't given up on this site yet. I for one enjoy reading the info wolfbait digs up about wolves, most of the info is all documented somewhere, but hard to find, and he brings it all forward for us all to read.

I believe Wacoyote hunter also has his heart in this issue and has some really good points to bring to the Wildlife Commission on managing wolves in this state. I wished he was on our state wolf management plan team, he wants wolves managed responsibly and that is a lot more than what I can say for what I have seen coming from the WDFW in their wolf plan recommendations.

In fact, most of the rest of us on here really care about this wolf issue, however, many of us have a little different viewpoint from the other. It seems to me it's these little differences that are driving us to slam each other and call each other names and get into heated discussions.

I personally think we would all be further ahead to agree with each other that we all want a responsible management plan and then try to not get so excited over the little differences. Take a few minutes and write a letter to the wildlife commission and to the politicians who might be able to influence the commission.

Well that's my 

[bearpaw]

I'm not sure everyone understands how wildlife management is decided in Washington, but I have followed the commission for over 20 years and in that time I have seen how the system works. (please correct me if you know I am wrong about any details)

The WDFW (the Dept) is charged with managing fish and wildlife in Washington. The WDFW makes their recommendations to the Wildlife Commission about how they want to manage our wildlife and hunting.

The WDFW Wildlife Commission is a citizen group, each appointed by the governor, who vote in their meetings to decide how wildlife and hunting will be managed in Washington. They listen heavily to Dept recommendations, but they also listen to public testimony and I have seen them go against Dept recommendations when public testimony has clearly offered better arguments and management proposals.

It's the Wildlife Commission who will decide the management of wolves in Washington. The dept will implement their management decisions. If you want to make a differnce on this wolf issue then I suggest you write the commission a friendly message and tell them what you think, remember there is strenght in numbers, if everyone who wants a responsible plan will write the commission it may actually make a difference. You have until Jan 8 to send comments.

[mulehunter]

Everyone is different and I cant make everyone to agree eachother.  Thanks Bearpaw for write!



Mulehunter 

[boneaddict]

Agreed, good points!

[WAcoyotehunter]

Agreed as well- We need to have well written letters that detail our positions on wolf manangent, the wolf plan, and I would recommend asking them to include HUNTING as the management option most likely for wolf control.  Currently it does not do that.

[wolfbait]

Bearpaw and Mulehunter are right, no since fighting over small points with the wolf issue. That being said, since at this time I can not deliver proof the wdfw are monitoring more than one wolf pack, we will get some pictures of the differant packs in the Methow with collars on at least one wolf in the pack. I will be wondering how s.fitkin and the rest of wdfw will be explaining these different packs.