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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #180 on: January 27, 2010, 09:37:28 AM »
I have read those articles before wolfbait.  I think maybe on this site when you posted them.  Not sure though. 

Pretty interesting but I don't see where the lies are...You even said yourself that WA was in wolf recovery in the 1980's and early '90's but then say WA should not be just starting wolf recovery?  Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

It also raises a question in my mind.  It could be argued that WA was never completely void of wolves.  There has been talk of sightings dating back for decades.  There was strong evidence of wolves in WA in the 80's and 90's.  So I wonder why, if wolves numbers can double each year, why is there still a small number of them in our state?  As there numbers increased have they been going to Canada?  Or have they managed to slowly increase their numbers because the ecosystem has only allowed them to do just that? 


Here is an interesting blog I found from Sightline Daily which I believe is a  "green" news site.  It does have excerpts from actual news paper articles though. 

http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2008/07/19/washingtons-wolves-are-back

Here is one piece from the Wenatchee World in July 2008 that was in the blog I found interesting...

A state biologist said Monday that he believes one or more packs of gray wolves are living in the Methow Valley...

Packers have made numerous reports of wolves in the high country in the past couple of years, and there have been increasing reports by residents in lower elevations, he said.

Fitkin said there have been reliable wolf sightings in the Methow dating to the early 1990s, but only sporadic, unconfirmed reports of wolf packs.

"What's changed recently is that we've had repeated observations of multiple animals in the greater Twisp River/Chelan Sawtooth and Libby Creek areas," he said, adding, "My suspicion is, based on the sighting history, its development is very similar to how recolonization in the Rockies occurred. This is looking like we very well may have some wolves on the landscape."

You are right I have posted this info on W-H in the past. My point is the first wolf pack in 70 years is BS. Two wolf packs in Washington is also BS. Just because the wolf recovery money went to Idaho in 1994 and now that Washington has wolf recovery money again should not mean that we have to start all over recovering wolves. Just because the money left doesn't mean the wolves also left . There are many more wolves in Washington then the WDFW are being honest about. I believe the WDFW should never have  listed the wolves as endangered in Washington. Just the fact that now WDFW aka Defenders of Wildlife want 15 bps when we have had wolves for many years according to the studies back in the 80's and 90's reminds me of the dishonesty's of the USFWS and the wolf introduction. Why isn't WDFW being honest with the people of Washington.  

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #181 on: January 27, 2010, 10:55:18 AM »
Yeah, I can see where it is frustrating when they say the first wolf pack in 70 years when they knew wolves were around the whole time.  What they do though is use the word confirmed. 

What I wonder though is WDFW wasn't smart to not confirm wolves as long as they possibly could to stay out of the whole wolf recovery.   I mean from what I understand it wasn't until The Defenders of Wildlife presented actual proof that WDFW "confirmed" that we had a breeding pair.  That is just my mind wondering about that idea though. 
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #182 on: January 27, 2010, 11:19:09 AM »
Yeah, I can see where it is frustrating when they say the first wolf pack in 70 years when they knew wolves were around the whole time.  What they do though is use the word confirmed.  

What I wonder though is WDFW wasn't smart to not confirm wolves as long as they possibly could to stay out of the whole wolf recovery.   I mean from what I understand it wasn't until The Defenders of Wildlife presented actual proof that WDFW "confirmed" that we had a breeding pair.  That is just my mind wondering about that idea though.  

You have a lot of it right, in fact first wolf pack in Oregon and Washington would have been delayed much longer except for the fact that the morning of the "First Confirmed wolf pack in 70 years" a resident of Carlton reported that there was a group of wolves hanging out at a Buss stop near Carlton. Funny how those little coincidences never seem to reach the media. Before that report even came out WDFW and USFS biologists were given proof that there were indeed wolves in the Methow Valley, which they laughed off as the same as Big Foot sightings.  Some of this info will be coming out in the lawsuit. the only reason that I can mention this now, is it is another M.Valley joke concerning the WDFW and their lies.

Defenders of wildlife is the same as saying WDFW, confirmed simply means that your wolf sightings don't mean squat unless you have a DNA test, or they have a DNA test, which in the end means they can confirm wolf packs at their leisure.
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #183 on: February 03, 2010, 10:55:32 PM »
28 Nov 2009, 8:33pm
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Of wolves and worms
by DeLene, Wild Muse, 11/27/2009 [here]

If a Northern Rocky Mountain gray wolf has a daily to-do list, it may look like this:1.) Avoid hunters, 2.) Maintain territory, 3.) Find prey, 4.) Get de-wormed.

Yes, de-wormed.

According to a new study out in the October issue of the Journal of Wildlife Diseases, three-millimeter-long tapeworms known as Echinococcus granulosus, are documented for the first time in gray wolves in Idaho and Montana. And the authors didn’t just find a few tapeworms here and there… turns out that of 123 wolf intestines sampled, 62 percent of the Idaho gray wolves and 63 percent of the Montana gray wolves were positive. (Ew!) The researchers wrote: “The detection of thousands of tapeworms per wolf was a common finding.” (Again… Ew!!) This leads to the  interpretation that the E. granulosus parasite rate is fairly widespread and established in the Northern Rocky Mountain wolves.

The tapeworms themselves are not new. Gray wolves in Canada and Alaska are known to be infected with them. In fact, previous studies indicate that a 14 to 72 percent infection rate is normal. But the study authors report that this is the first time that a specific biotype of E. granulosus has been detected in not only wolves of Idaho and Montana, but also wild herbivores. The parasite needs both types of animals to complete its life cycle. … [more]

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Comments by Will Graves, the author of “Wolves in Russia” [here]

In the first paragraph in my letter to Mr. Bangs dated 3 October 1993 on the DEIS (Draft Environmental Impact Statement) which was titled “The Reintroduction of Gray Wolves to Yellowstone National Park and Central Idaho,” I warned about the damages and problems wolves would cause to Yellowstone and other areas by carrying and spreading parasites and diseases over larger areas. Some of these parasites are damaging not only to wild and domestic animals, but can also be dangerous to humans. One of these parasites is Echinococcous granulosus and Echinococcus m.

Since 1993 I have been working to tell people what I have learned from about 50 years of research on the characteristics, habits and behavior of Russian wolves. From that research I came to the conclusion that one of the most serious consequences of bring wolves into the US would be the wolves carrying and spreading around damaging/dangerous parasites and diseases. I did my best to explain this in my book titled, “Wolves in Russia – Anxiety Through the Ages” edited by Dr. Valerius Geist. Details about my book are at my web site: wolvesinrussia.com.

After several years effort, I finally recently obtained help from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Parasitic Research Center in Beltsville, MD. This research center will try to conduct research on the blood taken from wolves in our western states. One parasite they will be researching is Neospora Caninum. They hope to determine if wolves carry and spread the parasite  around. It is established that coyotes and dogs carry this damaging parasite.

I remember that about two years ago there was a report about one wolf carrying Echinococcus granulosus in Montana.

Much more research is needed about the danger wolves bring to our environment. Some of the parasites carried by wolves are dangerous to humans.

30 Nov 2009, 12:44am
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Starting on page 202 of the book “Wolves Behavior, Ecology, and Conservation” Edited by L. David Mech and Luigi Boitani, Chapter 7 The Internal Wolf: Physiology, Pathology, and Pharmacology:
http://tinyurl.com/InternalWolf

There is quite a list of parasites and diseases that wolves carry, up to and including rabies.

(The book is an interesting read as well, unfortunately several pages are missing.)

30 Nov 2009, 11:19am
by Mike



Excellent source of information. Thank you, YP.

1 Dec 2009, 7:31pm
by Val G.



What else is new? What did we warn about? We were censored as alarmists, and now are being reassured that Echinococcus granulosus is “harmless” to humans — which relative to E. multiloccularis it is indeed. How about a granulosus cyst in your brain? Or a bunch of cysts in your lungs? Or on your liver? Yes, we can wall off those cysts, more or less, which we cannot do with the multiloccularis cysts. And yes, a colleague assured us that all that is not a problem for us, although it is for some native types. Nothing to worry about, really.

Remember how, early on, we put out a warning — do not kick dry wolf feces or poke about in such looking for evidence of food habits. Do not handle wolf feces as it will disturb the tiny Echinococcus eggs that float up like a little dust cloud to envelop you, and you are very likely to ingest some of that “dust”.

This know-how, which we older Canadian types carried away from our parasitology lessons was pooh-poohed by some American colleagues. Wolves are after all, harmless! Remember the question we posed: is it really such a great idea “completing” ecosystems when the progression is herbivores, carnivores and finally diseases and parasites? Remember?

Are our eager beavers on the way to making wildlife into a curse? The long ignored historical prognosis is not good! Will it slowly dawn on the enthusiasts that wolves are not compatible with settled human landscapes, a conclusion based on history in many places and many countries?

Have fun with that endangered species!

Cheers, Val Geist

http://westinstenv.org/wildpeop/2009/11/28/of-wolves-and-worms/

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #184 on: February 03, 2010, 11:22:03 PM »
good post wolfbait.... ;)
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