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Take this serious!
« on: January 09, 2010, 07:44:48 PM »
I don't know if people are taking the Parasites that the Canadians wolves brought with them serious enough. In Idaho they have lost dogs from this disease already. You don't have to be the one kicking wolf scat around to get infected, your dog can become infected and give it to you without you ever knowing. I would advise everyone to pull up saveelk.com and read: The Outdoorsman December 2009 Some very Alarming Facts. Idaho is now looking at their insurance policy, as they brought these wolves in knowing full well the dangers of these parasites that the Canadian wolves carried and spread.


Two-Thirds of Idaho Wolf Carcasses Examined

Have Thousands of Hydatid Disease Tapeworms



My first Outdoorsman article on hydatid disease

caused by the tiny Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm

was published nearly 40 years ago. Back then we had

many readers in Alaska and northern Canada where the

cysts were present in moose and caribou and my article

included statistics on the number of reported human deaths

from these cysts over a 50-year period, and the decline in

deaths once outdoorsmen learned what precautions were

necessary to prevent humans from being infected.

In Alaska alone, over 300 cases of hydatid disease

in humans had been reported since 1950 as a result of

canids (dog family), primarily wolves, contaminating the

landscape with billions of E. granulosus eggs in their feces

(called “scat” by biologists). These invisible eggs are

ingested by grazing animals, both wild and domestic, and

occasionally by humans who release clouds of the eggs

into the air by kicking the scat or picking it up to see what

the wolf had been eating.

As with many other parasites, the eggs are very

hardy and reportedly exist in extremes of weather for long

periods, virtually blanketing patches of habitat where some

are swallowed or inhaled. As Dr. Valerius Geist explained

in his Feb-Mar 2006 Outdoorsman article entitled

Information for Outdoorsmen in Areas Where Wolves Have

Become Common, “(once they are ingested by animals or

humans) the larvae move into major capillary beds – liver,

lung, brain – where they develop into large cysts full of

tiny tapeworm heads.”

He continued, “These cysts can kill infected

persons unless they are diagnosed and removed surgically.

It consequently behooves us (a) to insure that this disease

does not become widespread, and (b) that hunters and other

outdoorsmen know that wolf scats and coyote scats should

never be touched or kicked.”

Dr. Geist’s article also warned, “If we generate

dense wolf populations it is inevitable that such lethal

diseases as Hydatid disease become established.” Because

wolves and other canines perpetuate the disease by eating

the organs of animals containing the cysts, and the

tapeworms live and lay millions of eggs in their lower

intestines, the logical way to insure the disease did not

develop was not to import Canadian wolves that were

already infected with the parasites.

Despite Warnings From Experts. FWS and IDFG

Ignored Diseases, Parasites Spread by Wolves

This was common knowledge among wildlife

biologists in northern Canada and in Alaska where FWS

biologist Ed Bangs was stationed prior to being assigned to

head the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Team.

Yet in the July 1993 Draft Environmental Impact

Statement (DEIS) provided to the public, Bangs chose not

to evaluate the impact of wolf recovery on diseases and

parasites (1993 DEIS page 1-17).

This alarmed a number of experts on pathogens

and parasites, including Will Graves who began his career

working to eradicate foot and mouth disease in Mexico.

As an interpreter who conducted research of Russian wolf

impacts on wildlife, livestock and humans for several

decades, Graves provided Bangs with information that

wolves in Russia carry 50 types of worms and parasites,

including Echinococcosis and others with various degrees

of danger to both animals and humans.

In his Oct. 3, 1993 written testimony to Bangs,

Graves also cited the results of a 10-year Russian control

study in which failure to kill almost all of the wolves by

each spring resulted in up to 100% parasite infection rate

of moose and wild boar with an infection incidence of up

to 30-40 per animal. This compared to a 31% infection

rate with an incidence of only 3-5 per animal where wolves

were nearly eliminated each winter.

Graves’ letter emphasized that

despite the

existence of foxes, raccoons and domestic dogs, wolves

were always the basic source of parasite infections in

moose and boar. He also emphasized the toll this would

take on livestock producers and, along with other expert

respondents, requested a detailed study on the potential

impact wolves would have in regard to carrying, harboring

and spreading disease.

In the final 414-page Gray Wolf EIS (FEIS) dated

April 14, 1994, only a third of a page addresses “Diseases

and Parasites to and from Wolves” (Chapter 5 Page 55). It

states: “Most respondents who commented on this issue

expressed concern about diseases and parasites introduced

wolves could transfer to other animals in recovery areas.”

Bangs’ response states, “Wolves will be given

vaccinations when they are handled to reduce the chances

of them catching diseases from coyotes and other canids.

Then Bangs stated, “Wolves will not significantly increase

the transmission of rabies and other diseases,” yet offered

nothing to substantiate his false claim.

saveelk.com
 

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 07:45:54 PM »
very good post wolfbait
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 09:16:16 PM »
I just can't help think that people from animal liberation front ALF are in and running our game departments... they couldn't change us by blowing up logging equipment and letting mink run free so they bring in parasitic wolves!  :bash:  When will common since  come back main stream...
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 09:39:58 PM »
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When will common since  come back main stream...

Not sure why they call it "common sence "  because it is not so common.

If it was, we would be shooting these things on sight ....thats the start of a  common sence wolf managment plan.


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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 01:35:49 AM »
Here is the actual study which was published in th Journal of Wildlife Diseases, October 2009:
http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/content/abstract/45/4/1208

William J. Foreyt1,4, Mark L. Drew2, Mark Atkinson3 and Deborah McCauley3
1 Department of Veterinary Microbiology and Pathology, Washington State University, Pullman, Washington 99164-7040, USA
2 Wildlife Health Laboratory, Idaho Department of Fish and Game, Caldwell, Idaho 83607, USA
3 Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, 1400 S. 19th Avenue, Bozeman, Montana 59718, USA
4 Corresponding author (email: wforeyt@vetmed.wsu.edu)

ABSTRACT:   We evaluated the small intestines of 123 gray wolves (Canis lupus) that were collected from Idaho, USA (n=63), and Montana, USA (n=60), between 2006 and 2008 for the tapeworm Echinococcus granulosus. The tapeworm was detected in 39 of 63 wolves (62%) in Idaho, USA, and 38 of 60 wolves (63%) in Montana, USA. The detection of thousands of tapeworms per wolf was a common finding. In Idaho, USA, hydatid cysts, the intermediate form of E. granulosus, were detected in elk (Cervus elaphus), mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus), and a mountain goat (Oreamnos americanus). In Montana, USA, hydatid cysts were detected in elk. To our knowledge, this is the first report of adult E. granulosus in Idaho, USA, or Montana, USA. It is unknown whether the parasite was introduced into Idaho, USA, and southwestern Montana, USA, with the importation of wolves from Alberta, Canada, or British Columbia, Canada, into Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming, USA, and central Idaho, USA, in 1995 and 1996, or whether the parasite has always been present in other carnivore hosts, and wolves became a new definitive host. Based on our results, the parasite is now well established in wolves in these states and is documented in elk, mule deer, and a mountain goat as intermediate hosts.

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 02:03:10 AM »
Here is another statement from the Capital Press referencing the research:
http://www.capitalpress.com/print/CRD-tapeworm-wolves-p-16-121109

New information that a wildlife-threatening tapeworm is prevalent in wolves in Idaho and Montana had some in Idaho's cattle industry concerned the ill effects of the tapeworm could be transmitted to domestic livestock.  The parasite can cause fluid-filled cysts in the lungs and livers of wild hooved animals.

Bill Foreyt, a professor at Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine who was involved in the study, said no known threat exists to domestic livestock. "This particular strain in wildlife stays in wild carnivores and wild ruminants," he said. There is a possibility of transmission, but most domestic livestock are resistant to this particular strain, he said. "It is not highly pathogenic in sheep or cattle, so I'm not sure there are any concerns," he said. "The biggest concern is in human infection."


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My recommendation is to quarantine infected wolves for this potential public health risk.  Kind of like we do for the chronic wasting disease, aquatic mussels, milfoil, and apple maggot.  Maybe send a letter to your state representatives.  They are in session right now.

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 03:42:20 AM »
...These invisible eggs are ingested by grazing animals, both wild and domestic, and occasionally by humans who release clouds of the eggs into the air by kicking the scat or picking it up to see what the wolf had been eating.

....These cysts can kill infected persons unless they are diagnosed and removed surgically.  It consequently behooves us (a) to insure that this disease does not become widespread, and (b) that hunters and other outdoorsmen know that wolf scats and coyote scats should never be touched or kicked.
 

Hmmm, no more screwing around looking at coyote dung...

If I brought an animal into this state the carried something like this and exposed our wildlife to this risk, I would be arrested.
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 08:48:10 AM »
 :crap:So what's are we as hunters going to do about this stuff :crap: Those who are and have brought in these nasty animals should be held responsible for this stuff? :dunno:

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 11:50:53 AM »
 The Hydatid Disease is spread very easy where there is a high population of wolves, it is just another aspect of the wolf introduction that was kept from the public. As most of you know by now the Importing of the Canadian wolves was done by the lying and stealing of the USFWS. It seems that is the trend that follows these wolves. The environmentalists needed the USFWS to bring them into the lower 48, once they were here the environmentalists with the  inside help of the USFWS made sure that there wasn't any management and it is still going on today.  

The Hydatid Disease will be another factor used to drive people out of the woods and  help destroy country living. After all the wolf is not about restoring, it is about destroying and a land grab.

This disease could also ruin the "NO wolf Management" program that has been going on since the start of the wolf introduction. How many people knew about this disease till recently?  The fact that one does not have to wade through wolf scat to catch the disease is alarming. For example you and your family go stay at a state park or just camping through out Washington, You or your children can get it off the grass, if you own a dog, he can bring it to you. These are all things that the public needs to know which have been hidden. To many wolves will spread this disease like wildfire, this just won't affect the people who live in the country, but also people who visit the country. They said the wolves would not affect the big game herds, They said they would delist the wolves once the wolves reached 300, that would have been in 2002 according to their count, not the real count. Everything they have said has ended up being a lie. Now we find out that our health could be at risk other than by being eaten. I wonder how long the warm fuzzy feelings will last, when people start having surgeries to remove some parasite that the USFWS brought into this country with their famed wolves.
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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 11:58:10 AM »
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When will common since  come back main stream...

Not sure why they call it "common sence "  because it is not so common.

If it was, we would be shooting these things on sight ....

Shooting tapeworms? ;)  


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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 12:00:09 PM »
I just sent links to this information in a form letter to my state reps and to the wdfw.  I suggest everyone do it with the question on whether this was looked at by the wolf panell and if the wdfw has tested the wolves that are currently in Washington State.  With the closing remarks if this is possibly contages to humans and domestic pets, would the failure to warn the populace fall under the fail to act in civil court.

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 01:43:05 PM »
:crap:So what's are we as hunters going to do about this stuff :crap: Those who are and have brought in these nasty animals should be held responsible for this stuff? :dunno:

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 02:43:39 PM »
Aghhh, this is bad. I know about 3 persons from the Eastern Europe that used to have this thing on their livers and lungs. Sick for life (if lucky to get detected on time). My neighbor has had a good part of her liver removed and my uncle had it on his lung - they took a third of one side. All from dogs and livestock, that were infected. Dogs and wolfs carry those eggs on their hair as well. Keep this in mind.
This is really, really unpleasant piece of information to digest now... Ah, damn it!!!  :bash: :bash: >:(

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 09:02:14 PM »
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Shooting tapeworms?
well my 22-250 is a tack driver...hmm tapeworms should not be a problem especially if they are attached to the GUTS of a wolf :tup:

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Re: Take this serious!
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »
I contacted my State reps... I hope other have and will as well. I made sure to metion that these tape worms will infect hikers, bikers, pets, and others including hunters...  I think it is important to point out how this affects everyone not just hunters.  :twocents:
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