Take this serious!

[WAcoyotehunter]

Wolves in the lower 48 are doubling in size each year.

OH CRAP!!! those things are going to be at least 2000 lbs each by the time we get to hunt them! 

[luvtohnt]

You say that the wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho is a start in wolf management, if you knew anything at all about wolves you wouldn't have said that.

So wolfbait what is your wolf management experience or even wildlife management for arguments sake?

Brandon

[wolfbait]

Lets hear yours smarty pants.  Lets hear what your management of the wolf would look like?  I can understand waycoyotes responses, every time he post his wolf views it lacks any truth but is mostly HS with a lot of lets manage the game herds better, which when the wolves get done in each state, there will be nothing left to manage.  Bring it on!

[luvtohnt]

I am just curious, but if you must know I am a senior at CWU working into ecology, in case you don't know what that is:
ecol•o•gy Pronunciation: \i-ˈkä-lə-jē, e-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural ecol•o•gies 1 : a branch of science concerned with the interrelationship of organisms and their environments 2 : the totality or pattern of relations between organisms and their environment
I am also trying to learn how to approach wildlife from a management perspective. I have never sat down and thought about how to manage wolves as I spend most of my time in class or doing homework to improve my knowledge so one day I can attempt to make people such as yourself happy with wildlife management decisions. I suppose I could sit down this weekend and ponder it a bit but I doubt I will, homework has a greater importance. Now can I hear your experience?

Brandon

[WAcoyotehunter]

He finds lots of article from the Pinedale online (written be Kat Urbigkit...)and regurgitates them on here.  

He'll likely cough up the typical "my daddys daddy was born in this valley and kilt every wolf he saw" and the classic "I'm in the woods so I understand the biology better than the so-called professionals".  

[luvtohnt]

He finds lots of article from the Pinedale online (written be Kat Urbigkit...)and regurgitates them on here.  

He'll likely cough up the typical "my daddys daddy was born in this valley and kilt every wolf he saw" and the classic "I'm in the woods so I understand the biology better than the so-called professionals".

I grew up in Pinedale. Nice little town, but I think anything that Cat writes about is a little one sided being she is a cattle farmer! But that is just my opinion. While I think this Echinococcus is a serious issue, I am thinking that wolfbait is blowing it a little out of proportion. Again just my opinion.

Brandon

[wolfbait]

Wacoyote , theres one thing I can count on from you, and that is you never surprise me, same old sh$t just a different day. You must be a real winner in your own eyes because you can't seem to expand your own knowledge.

Luvtohunt, the deparment of ecology is getting to be as curupte as the USFWS, run by environmentalists, another agency that should be sh$t canned and started over with a bit of common sense added.  

I will give you a short history lesson. When the Canadian wolf introduction was being considered, biologist who were working on the ground told the USFWS that they did not need to import the Canadian wolves because the lower 48 already had its own wolves and if given 30 years they would repopulate to a viable population on there own. The USFWS who are mostly made up of environmentalists did not want to wait that long because they had other agendas lined out. Their excuse was they want to study the wolves and they could do that better if they had and experimental population to work with.

Some of the experts on wolves told USFWS not to introduce these wolves, but they were ignored. David Mech who has studied wolves for many years saw no problem as long as the wolves were managed once the population of 300 wolves was reached for the YNP which was the goal at that time. You can see how well that has worked out. Mech has since said that due to lack of management in the end, wolves being wolves will ruin any true management as public tide will turn against the wolf. There has not been any management of wolves so far. I talk to Will Graves the other day in a conference call, he said right now in order to save Idaho's elk herds 90% of the wolves would have to be killed, thats how bad the wolves have been managed. The wolf population has been under estimated on purpose from the start, and the same is happening here in Washington state. I know the Methow has lost to the wolves already, our deer herd will not recover in my life if ever. Even if it was open season on wolves today not enough wolves would be killed in the Valley to amount to a hill of beans. I can give you my management plan for wolves, but it wouldn't matter to you because you haven't taken enough interest in the wolves to even understand them, you just spew.

Wolfbait

[WAcoyotehunter]

yep...i can only wish that I was as dynamic as you.  We never know what to expect from wolfbait...    

[WAcoyotehunter]

Coincidentally and maybe a little off topic... I did find some actual wolf bait in the woods a few weeks ago, and they LOVED it!  There were wolf tracks everywhere!!!  I was driving a road in PO county and saw the tracks in the snow in a meadow/campsite near the road.  There must have been a camper there during deer or elk season and they dumped their 'bluewater' on the ground.  The wolves had been there and dug it up and rolled all over in that crap...the first thing that came to mind was....ready for this...wolf bait! How appropriate.
 

[wolfbait]

Coincidentally and maybe a little off topic... I did find some actual wolf bait in the woods a few weeks ago, and they LOVED it!  There were wolf tracks everywhere!!!  I was driving a road in PO county and saw the tracks in the snow in a meadow/campsite near the road.  There must have been a camper there during deer or elk season and they dumped their 'bluewater' on the ground.  The wolves had been there and dug it up and rolled all over in that crap...the first thing that came to mind was....ready for this...wolf bait! How appropriate.
 

I wonder how many times your daddy had to tell you not to touch the stove when its hot. You just wouldn't believe him would you? 

[Geno]

I'll have to say that I completely agree with wolfbait, introducing the canadian wolves into the lower 48 was probably the worst ecological decision made in our lifetimes. How a fellow washington hunter could dispute what is in our near future is beyond me. Just using Idaho as an example for what these wolves are capable of doing, you guys need to wake up before it is too late for us too. I have a wolf management plan in mind and wolf lovers aren't going to like it. This species doesn't belong here and my plan helps irradicate the vermin.

[luvtohnt]

You say that the wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho is a start in wolf management, if you knew anything at all about wolves you wouldn't have said that.

So wolfbait what is your wolf management experience or even wildlife management for arguments sake?
Brandon

Still waiting!!

Brandon

[luvtohnt]

First of all I do not want to work for the DOE. I want to work in DFW or the private sector it all depends on what is available out there. Now I agree that the wolves being brought down from Canada was not the brightest idea. That is history we can't change that. As far as the all the other garbage Washington is already ahead of the game, we almost have a management plan approved, and that right there is decades ahead of ID, MT, and WY!  Idaho has been involved in wolf management as directed by the Legislature, which in 2002, adopted the Idaho Wolf Conservation and Management Plan. Only 7 years after they were introduced to the state!Although we all agree (on this site at least) that the plan is defiantly skewed towards the pro wolf side. Now if the plan is approved and the wolves become delisted, the state will be able to manage them as big game. Do you know what that means? We the hunters will have a say in how the overall management of the animals will be. As the game numbers fall we can increase tags, and even change the overall number of BP we have if necessary. All we have to do is jump through some hoops and ultimately we will be able to manage and coexist with the "devil dogs".

Brandon

[wolfbait]

First of all I do not want to work for the DOE. I want to work in DFW or the private sector it all depends on what is available out there. Now I agree that the wolves being brought down from Canada was not the brightest idea. That is history we can't change that. As far as the all the other garbage Washington is already ahead of the game, we almost have a management plan approved, and that right there is decades ahead of ID, MT, and WY!  Idaho has been involved in wolf management as directed by the Legislature, which in 2002, adopted the Idaho Wolf Conservation and Management Plan. Only 7 years after they were introduced to the state!Although we all agree (on this site at least) that the plan is defiantly skewed towards the pro wolf side. Now if the plan is approved and the wolves become delisted, the state will be able to manage them as big game. Do you know what that means? We the hunters will have a say in how the overall management of the animals will be. As the game numbers fall we can increase tags, and even change the overall number of BP we have if necessary. All we have to do is jump through some hoops and ultimately we will be able to manage and coexist with the "devil dogs".

Brandon

I can't believe you said that, do you really believe "The Hunters" will be the ones deciding how many wolves will be up for hunting? Come on, get real. Nice little carrot for the dumb ones though.

(As the game numbers fall we can increase tags, and even change the overall number of BP we have if necessary. All we have to do is jump through some hoops and ultimately we will be able to manage and coexist with the "devil dogs")


In the first place they are called wolves, at least have that much respect for them.  I know the hoops you are talking about, they are the same hoops that Montana and Idaho jumped through. Better known as the bullsh$it hoops, that would be where you change a predator into a Big Game animal and then bend over. Do you really think that the folks on W-H actually believe anything that our environmentalist game department has to say anymore? Did you forget that some of us went to the wolf meetings. They came in with the same lies, they were asked to take a lie detectors test and they refused. Have you talked this over with Fulla----fitkin? because he seems to think that the rest of Washington doesn't need to know how many wolves we really have and if you are planning to work for the wdfw I think it would be in your best interest not to speak for people who are mostly lying to the public. Wyoming is the only state that had their wolf plan right and they are sticking to it. Before long if the proper management is not implemented many people will be shooting wolves.

[mountainman1]

Yes, we finally smoked one of those guys out that want to work for the DFW. Says the WDFW has a plan that is way ahead of Idaho and Montana. :chuckle:I am wondering if the DFW has a plan that's ahead of other states then whats the hold up. Why aren't they admitting to how many wolf packs  we really have. We need more guys in the department to tell the truth. I know of at least 6 wolf packs in this state. I know their slow and undermaned. They need to kick out those environmentalists and put some guys in there that know how to manage people as well as wildlife, and maybe then they will stop feeding us BS.I have yet to meet one that didn't try to talk right over a guys head and still get nothing done.I don't care how much you think you know or what kind of sheep skin you have, you need to getter done and done right for the people. You need to let them know everything you are doing because the USDFW work for the people :yike:Tax Payers