8 different special apps pools!

[D-Rock425]

this sounds like it could suck for me I got drawn for deer and elk last year

[sako223]

Take a weighted point system that doesn't work as claimed and multiply it times 8. It's a political mathematics win. Sorta like Incest at WDFW
Another example of where they have come up with a plan and they will let us have input before they implement it anyway. That way when issues arise they can claim public input. Nothing new about the procedure.
A good reason for us to show up in person and in numbers to voice opinions,

[SkookumHntr]

Take a weighted point system that doesn't work as claimed and multiply it times 8. It's a political mathematics win. Sorta like Incest at WDFW
Another example of where they have come up with a plan and they will let us have input before they implement it anyway. That way when issues arise they can claim public input. Nothing new about the procedure.
A good reason for us to show up in person and in numbers to voice opinions,

Try to explain that to bobcat

[Lowedog]

From the way I read it they are already updating the system.  Sounds like it's a done deal.  

[Ridgerunner]

I imagine they are probably making sure the vendor can handle it, sounds complicated to me.

[Bob33]

What happens to "ghost hunts"?  Will each pool have its own ghost number?  What if you want to accrue a point for a bull permit but not be drawn?  Will each pool allow four choices like today, so I could apply for 32 hunt choices?  This is a train wreck waiting to happen.  They have had several redraws lately with one pool, and now they want eight?

[Skillet]

The "complaints" they are trying to appease are from the people who would like to put in for meat while they wait for the big bone... wait, that didn't sound right-

I think you know what I mean.  They are oiling the squeaky wheel - people who complained they couldn't draw a cow without having to waste the bull points.  Had the dep't not found a way to make a money grab while appearing to "listen" to us hunters, we would be seeing the familiar finger we are used to getting from them.  That is what the WDFW is getting after -  the Benjamins.  Not to solve some problem of draw odds.  They are not even trying to fix that - I'm very sure it was well understood that the draw odds are going to get very long for everybody now.  They are fixing the OTHER problem - cash flow.  That's it.  The only way this works out well is if you're the bean counter at the WDFW.

Let's call this what it is - whoring out of a popular system.  WDFW policy - no money to be left on the table!  If Joe Hunter is willing to drop $5 a year in permit app fees for 10 years to get a big bull tag, and now he's willing to make the contribution for the 20 years it takes to get the bull tag, why don't they just make the tag app $100 and weed out the people who think "ah, do I want to supersize this meal or do I want a shot at a big bull this year?  Oh, hell, let's do both - it's cheap!"  The people who REALLY want that big bull tag will get it, and the people who would have normally thrown their $5 in the hat for the fun of it will maybe take the money and buy a milkshake instead.  Yes, I know that it reduces the opportunity of the folks that cannot afford the higher tag apps.  But is this supposed to improve that for them?

Hell, let's go the full monte - big bull tag, $2500.  First-come, first served, limited number of tags.  You pay the pimp (WDFW) for the entertainment.  Any takers?

[billythekidrock]

Here's why it will kill the odds....every person that puts a cow tag down as a 4th choice and draws every third year will now be in the bull draws for the LONG term.. that means that the quality permits will not cycle through applicants at all.

Statistically it means that people who are at the bottom end of the point pools will just get further and further behind because of the squaring of points.......... and for the folks that like doe tags and cow tags guess what?..There are now a ton of people ahead of you with 10+ points so get ready to start waiting

It will be a cluster for sure.

[WDFW-SUX]

Hell, let's go the full monte - big bull tag, $2500.  First-come, first served, limited number of tags.  You pay the pimp (WDFW) for the entertainment.  Any takers?

yup.

[boneaddict]

I'm still basically speechless.

[WDFW-SUX]

Do you think there really going to follow through?

[bobcat]

It will be interesting to see what hunts end up in the "quality hunt permit" category. I could see them in the future charging a higher fee for the quality hunts and I wouldn't be entirely against the idea either. If it was $50 instead of $5 to apply, THAT would increase draw odds for those permits, I would think.

[huntnphool]

Do you think there really going to follow through?

Given their track record I would say its already done and they are just trying to ease us into the *censored* storm rather than throwing us into it. Kind of like a kiss before the bending over.

[bobcat]

Of course they're going to "follow through." After all, this is coming about because of the surveys they did asking us hunters what they could do to make us all happier.  

[WDFW-SUX]

I apposed to anything that contributes more money to the general fund.