8 different special apps pools!

[Geno]

I hope you don't feel like I singled you out  10 points was just a good round number.  I've got a few points built up myself, I'll stay out of the meat hunt until I have that branched bone on the wall. Then of course I'll put meat in the freezer the following year! I won't put in for both on the same year, but you can bet your ass I'll be ghost pointing in the mean time.

[wrangler]

I hope you don't feel like I singled you out   10 points was just a good round number.  I've got a few points built up myself, I'll stay out of the meat hunt until I have that branched bone on the wall. Then of course I'll put meat in the freezer the following year! I won't put in for both on the same year, but you can bet your ass I'll be ghost pointing in the mean time.

which is exactly why this whole effing thing is fundamentally FOR THE GAYS! basically it just allows meat hunters piss in the trophy hunters cheerios and trophy hunters piss in the meat hunters cheerios and make it all one big pissing match for no other reason than now 'we can'. the whole while the state is laughing all the way to the bank.   

[yelp]

I gotta pee..

[huntnphool]

No Geno not at all I sure hope this is all just an idea on their part and they are really not serious about implementing it.

[bobcat]

which is exactly why this whole effing thing is fundamentally FOR THE GAYS! basically it just allows meat hunters piss in the trophy hunters cheerios and trophy hunters piss in the meat hunters cheerios and make it all one big pissing match for no other reason than now 'we can'. the whole while the state is laughing all the way to the bank.    

Now that's something I can agree with...very well said!  Course it doesn't matter to me cause I'm a trophy hunter AND a meat hunter. I don't care what permit I draw as long as I draw SOMETHING. Anything to get me out of the general season hunts, that's about all I care about.

[Geno]

Lol, now that's funny Yelp!

[Lowedog]

This tread has made it's rounds a few times now  

We will have to wait and see what the final out come is on exactly what the change will be if any.


 

[Geno]

Now that's something I can agree with...very well said!  Course it doesn't matter to me cause I'm a trophy hunter AND a meat hunter. I don't care what permit I draw as long as I draw SOMETHING. Anything to get me out of the general season hunts, that's about all I care about.

Exactly how I feel!

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

And that is assuming that they make you choose what tag you will keep, i think i copy and pasted where it said you can only harvest one animal never once did it say wich tag you will keep. SO you really might be able to hunt both and if you don't fill your bull tag you will be able to fill it with your cow tag. Not that it will be likely that you would draw both in the same year butnever in there Q&A does it say you would have to turn one in.

I love post like these where one person misinterprets something and posts it then it gets run with and people are mad about it when it was never correct in the first place. If you read the Q&A real close all of the answers are there.
I am not real hot on the whole thing but i will put in for both at the same time and i have 12 points. If i draw both then i will go from there but untill that happens i am not going to worry about it...

[billythekidrock]

Here's the deal people... the odds can't be worse for EVERYBODY. If it's worse odds for some, it HAS to be better odds for others, all depending on how many points you have and what you apply for. Unless a whole lot more people decide to start applying for special permits who had never played the application game before.

Same number of permits + Same number of hunters applying = same odds.

IMHO   

Now let's have a vote, is this thread going to set a record for the most pages?   

If we went to two choices, I would definitely agree with this. But if it goes the way it looks like it will, I don't know how it can improve.

[billythekidrock]

No packages...you simply apply for permits from each that you want to hunt in.  There will likely be some new hunts added, but essentially take the current permit hunts and reclassify them into the new categories.        

Have you read the jan0710_03_biggame_turkey.pdf from the January meeting?

The Green Sheet states..."...the Dept is recommending adding 5 multi-species raffle permits. The proposed raffle permits allow the harvest of 3-5 big game animals in different areas of the state..."

Sounds like packages to me. 

[boneaddict]

same number of permits with the same number of people applying for 8 choices in two different pools vs 4 choices in one pool does change the odds because you are now taking the 60% of that population that applied for bull tags only and adding another 30% to it.  So you are in fact competing with more people for the specific type of hunting that you typically apply for.  Likewise you are taking the 40% that applied for cow tags and added 40% to that for those that only applied for bull tags and now applied for cow tags.

In the last 14 years people applied for their 4 hunt choices, now there are people applying for their 4 hunt choices plus your 4 hunt choices.  They effective cut the odds by somewhere around 30% - 50% depending on how many people actually take advantage of applying in both pools and how many actually choose the permits you go after. 

It is F'd in the A

Whacker has it figured out.

[billythekidrock]

same number of permits with the same number of people applying for 8 choices in two different pools vs 4 choices in one pool does change the odds because you are now taking the 60% of that population that applied for bull tags only and adding another 30% to it.  So you are in fact competing with more people for the specific type of hunting that you typically apply for.  Likewise you are taking the 40% that applied for cow tags and added 40% to that for those that only applied for bull tags and now applied for cow tags.

In the last 14 years people applied for their 4 hunt choices, now there are people applying for their 4 hunt choices plus your 4 hunt choices.  They effective cut the odds by somewhere around 30% - 50% depending on how many people actually take advantage of applying in both pools and how many actually choose the permits you go after. 

It is F'd in the A

Whacker has it figured out.

Yep..all the more reason for going to 2 hunt choices.

With all the new categories maybe they can go down to one choice per?

[yelp]

No packages...you simply apply for permits from each that you want to hunt in.  There will likely be some new hunts added, but essentially take the current permit hunts and reclassify them into the new categories.        

Have you read the jan0710_03_biggame_turkey.pdf from the January meeting?

The Green Sheet states..."...the Dept is recommending adding 5 multi-species raffle permits. The proposed raffle permits allow the harvest of 3-5 big game animals in different areas of the state...
"Sounds like packages to me. 

Here it is..

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2009/wsr_09-21-091.pdf

I believe the packages 19-23 as you mentioned in previous threads are described as "Director Authorized Auction or Raffle Permits".

Another potential $ maker for them.

[Curly]

Same number of permits + Same number of hunters applying = same odds.

It is not going to be the same number of hunters applying.  The meat hunters will now be applying for the buck/bull tags and the trophy guys will now be applying for the cow/doe tags...........

And if I understand correctly, you don't lose your points in the other categories when you draw in one category.