8 different special apps pools!

[bobcat]

I understand that, but still the overall odds of drawing a permit should be the same as before, as long as the number of hunters applying is the same. As I said before, it's impossible for odds to be worse for everybody. Depending on your points and the permits you apply for, your odds could be better, or worse, with the new system. Look at all the people with lots of points who may be applying for antlerless hunts when they never did before. Their odds of drawing "A PERMIT" have just drastically improved. So OVERALL, the odds all even out and it should be the odds as before, of drawing a deer or elk permit.

I keep trying to emphasize that all I'm talking about is the overall odds of drawing any deer or elk permit will be the same, but I think only one person in this thread seems to understand that.

[Curly]

I had a response I'll typed up but,..........forget it.  I give up for now.

[Geno]

And that is assuming that they make you choose what tag you will keep, i think i copy and pasted where it said you can only harvest one animal never once did it say wich tag you will keep. SO you really might be able to hunt both and if you don't fill your bull tag you will be able to fill it with your cow tag. Not that it will be likely that you would draw both in the same year butnever in there Q&A does it say you would have to turn one in.

I love post like these where one person misinterprets something and posts it then it gets run with and people are mad about it when it was never correct in the first place. If you read the Q&A real close all of the answers are there.
I am not real hot on the whole thing but i will put in for both at the same time and i have 12 points. If i draw both then i will go from there but untill that happens i am not going to worry about it...

What happens if I draw more than one permit for the same species?

Unless one of those permits is for a second antlerless deer tag, a hunter would be restricted to harvesting one animal.  Hunters who draw more than one permit would be able to choose which hunt or hunts to participate in, but would have to stop hunting once they harvest an animal.

I love it when someone thinks you've misinterpeted something and then tries to point it out to make you look like a *censored*!   WDFW, it doesn't say anything about being able to turn one in if you are drawn for both. It's probably the same as the system works now...if you get drawn then it's yours, you can't give it back.  You can hunt for bulls and cows at the same time, but only harvest one of the two. You were issued a permit in both catagories which thus puts you at zero points in both.  But I am sure there will be differences in opinion and different interpetations of any written text, even when it seems very clear to some. Clearly not many here are in favor of these proposed changes, and differences in interpetation fueled by a bit of frustration and anger equals 25 plus pages of bickering!

[bobcat]

Some of you seem to have a mental block.... you're not seeing the word "overall."

Look at it this way, last year there was a total of 9,078 special deer permits issued. There was a total of 43,310 people who applied for a special deer permit. Divide the 43,310 by 9,078 and you get 4.77.

So in 2009 the odds of drawing a deer permit was 1 in 4.77, meaning 1 out of every 4.77 people who applied was successful in drawing a permit. We could round that to 1 in 5 just for the discussion here.

Now this year if the numbers of deer permits issued and the number of hunters applying for those permits stays relatively the same, the odds will still be 1 in 5. It shouldn't matter how many different categories they divide the deer permits into, the OVERALL odds will still be 1 in 5. The only way odds will be worse is if for some reason there are more applicants this year than there was last year.

[WDFW-SUX]

    

The only way odds will be worse is if for some reason there are more applicants this year than there was last year.

Please tell me you don't think there will be less applications this year?

There will be a 200-300% increase in application for antlerless stuff and probably a 30-40% increase in trophy apps...There is no way in hell your odds will be better and because your odds will be so much worse its debatable if your probability of drawing any tag will increase.

[bobcat]

Oh, and just for the record, 2009 odds of drawing an elk permit was 1 in 7. It will be interesting to see how or if that changes in 2010.

[bobcat]

   

The only way odds will be worse is if for some reason there are more applicants this year than there was last year.

Please tell me you don't think there will be less aplications this year?

No...why would there would be less applicants? I think there will be the same number of applicants, or slightly higher, just as every year it increases a little, probably just because of sites like this, and people who previously knew nothing about applying for special permits, hear about it and decide to get in the game. But I don't see the numbers increasing any more than what would be normal year to year. Although it is possible it could decrease due to the economy.

[WDFW-SUX]

But I don't see the numbers increasing any more than what would be normal year to year. Although it is possible it could decrease due to the economy

 

[Wacenturion]

   

The only way odds will be worse is if for some reason there are more applicants this year than there was last year.

Please tell me you don't think there will be less applications this year?

There will be a 200-300% increase in application for antlerless stuff and probably a 30-40% increase in trophy apps...There is no way in hell your odds will be better and because your odds will be so much worse its debatable if your probability of drawing any tag will increase.

Agree...maybe I'm missing something, but if all the antlerless folks also put in for antlered permits the odds get worse.  Conversely I don't see antlerless odds getting worse as antlered folks are not going there.

[Curly]

The 1 in 5 that will be drawn are going to be the guys that never put in for the easy to draw hunts......like Phool who will be given 10 points for free in all categories and therefore will have 100 times higher chance of drawing than the guy with 1 point.

So, essentially the new system will be giving away permits to the guys that have been applying for the premium tags for years.

[WDFW-SUX]

Conversely I don't see antlerless odds getting worse as antlered folks are not going there.

Your crazy if you think trophy hunters won't crawl across broken glass at the chance for a cow tag.

[Curly]

Conversely I don't see antlerless odds getting worse as antlered folks are not going there.

Your crazy if you think trophy hunters won't crawl across broken glass at the chance for a cow tag.

Yeah, if they won't lose their points for the bull tag, most will apply for cow I would think.  Now doe permits, maybe not.

[bobcat]

WDFW SUX,  so do you think the number of people who applied for a deer permit will increase by a large amount? You keep talking about the individual categories. As I said there was 43,310 people that applied for a deer permit last year. What will that number be this year?

[Wacenturion]

Conversely I don't see antlerless odds getting worse as antlered folks are not going there.

Your crazy if you think trophy hunters won't crawl across broken glass at the chance for a cow tag.

You're right............I keep forgetting you don't loose your points on either side until drawn.  Still it's really going to screw up the odds on the antlered side.

[WDFW-SUX]

Yeah, I do think that number will increase as it has every year since the point systems inception.  but even if it doesn't because of the multiple applications in the new system that applicants are now alloud to make there will be way way more competition for the same number of tags.

Ive never thought of applying for a cow tag and I can name 50 guys I know that haven't either but they all will now. Those are essentially "new" applicants in the system.  When you factor in the weighted system that means all odds are reduced unless you have 15 points this year.