email reply to my email re: the 8 different choices thread...

[Skillet]

Seriously though, I have to think that a good representation of the Washington hunting community is right here on this site...

We might - what you mean by "good representation"?  Sheer numbers?  Cross-section of all types of hunters?

Most of what they are hearing as positive feedback is just answers to questions that they formulate to generate the responses they want to hear.

WDFW: "Who here wants better draw odds?"
Hunters: All hands go up.
WDFW: "Who here wants more public access?"
Hunters: All hands stay up.
WDFW: "Who here would support a program that will increase both?"
Hunters: 10% of knowing, skeptical hunter's hands go down - "We want to see how this works, first."

What's left?  90% approval!  Or, as the WDFW likes to say, "Overwhelming support."

[huntnphool]

what you mean by "good representation"?  Sheer numbers?  Cross-section of all types of hunters?

 I have been here long enough to see that we have a diverse cross section of Washington hunters here, and if an overwhelming number of them don't like this proposal, I believe if worded correctly in a survey, there would be no way WDFW could interpret it differently.

[Wacenturion]

Seriously though, I have to think that a good representation of the Washington hunting community is right here on this site...

We might - what you mean by "good representation"?  Sheer numbers?  Cross-section of all types of hunters?

Most of what they are hearing as positive feedback is just answers to questions that they formulate to generate the responses they want to hear.

WDFW: "Who here wants better draw odds?"
Hunters: All hands go up.
WDFW: "Who here wants more public access?"
Hunters: All hands stay up.
WDFW: "Who here would support a program that will increase both?"
Hunters: 10% of knowing, skeptical hunter's hands go down - "We want to see how this works, first."

What's left?  90% approval!  Or, as the WDFW likes to say, "Overwhelming support."

Pretty well sums it up..........lol.

[Skillet]

I have been here long enough to see that we have a diverse cross section of Washington hunters here, and if an overwhelming number of them don't like this proposal, I believe if worded correctly in a survey, there would be no way WDFW could interpret it differently.

I can get on board with that... I wonder if they would consider putting up a simple little survey on the site?  I mean, they spend plenty of taxpayer dollars to have public forums, and solicit the opinions of as many people as possible - why would they not take advantage of simply putting up a survey here?  That is possible, correct?

[Bob33]

Anyone have any GMAC meeting minutes?  I'd love to see what they really proposed.

[Wacenturion]

The reply from Ware said.................

"On a national basis, the most significant thing that fish and wildlife agencies can do to recruit and retain hunters is improve access opportunities.  In Washington, we have been working with hunters and conservation organizations to expand our access program for several years, this proposal will help us achieve that goal."

That's just so much crap it's laughable.  WDFW had the best access/habitat development program in the entire county (feel free to hunt,hunt by written permission, register to hunt, etc.) with their Upland Wildlife Restoration Program which was implemented in 1991.  Among other things like 3 million plus private acres coupled with aggressive agreements for habitat enhancement on DNR lands, that program also gave you Washington's Wild Turkey.  That program was growing by leaps and bounds................until...........

That program became too popular with landowners and sportsman and was taken over by wildlife management in late 1999, where upon they have now dismantled it.  So as far as his statement.............absolutely laughable as I said above.  Better yet complete b***s***.    

[huntnphool]

I reset the poll in regards to this permit change, go and vote and we will see how Huntwa feels.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,42953.0.html

[Lowedog]

I reset the poll in regards to this permit change, go and vote and we will see how Huntwa feels.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,42953.0.html

How many people voted last time?  Last I looked it was maybe 40.  How is that an overwhelming majority of people on this site? 

You have about 15-20 guys bitching about on this and the other thread.  That is nowhere near a diverse cross section of WA hunters. 

[huntnphool]

There were about 50 votes but because there was a 4th option open saying basically the same as "I dont like it" the two were split.

You have about 15-20 guys bitching about on this and the other thread.  That is nowhere near a diverse cross section of WA hunters.

 You really need to read through the posts Lowedog, I said the site has a diverse cross section, I didn't say they all voted in the poll. If you like the plan then say so in the poll.

[billythekidrock]

You beat me to it phool.

[Lowedog]

Seriously though, I have to think that a good representation of the Washington hunting community is right here on this site and if an overwhelming majority of the guys here dont like it,

what you mean by "good representation"?  Sheer numbers?  Cross-section of all types of hunters?

 I have been here long enough to see that we have a diverse cross section of Washington hunters here, and if an overwhelming number of them don't like this proposal, I believe if worded correctly in a survey, there would be no way WDFW could interpret it differently.

I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. 

[huntnphool]

I guess I misunderstood what you were saying.

  Basically what I was trying to say is that if WDFW wants genuine answers to a survey they have a large group of Washington hunters right here, that represent a diverse opinion. There are far more hunters that check this site everyday than the WDFW site, why not utilize it and get a genuine opinion. My guess is they don't want to here it, knowing it would dispute their true agenda.

[whacker1]

phool - as a moderator can you pm that link to the entire membership asking them to vote in the poll?  Then you might get some real numbers returned.  In the course of 5 days you would probably get to 500 or so.

[huntnphool]

Good question, I'm not sure.

[Special T]

I might buy a fishing license and the Columbia fish enhancement if I could buy a sea lion tag to go along with it. Would do more for the salmon/steal head  runs than any project they can come up with!