Entiat Special Permit Numbers

[WAmuleyHunter]

So guys we have had a chance to look at the regs. What do you think. I am really un happy with the increase in permit numbers in the entiat unit and the chiwawa unit. with no decrease in anything.  That is a lot of permits, and archery permits. specially when its 100 % for rifle and like 70 % success rate for the archery people. I dont  know where they found all these extra deer at last year. From spending so much time up there and talking with people, the bio. they will shoot the herd out this year with all these permits. its sad, this unit could be the best in the state, like it has been. but killing this many trophy bucks can not be good. look at other units that are close to the same type like the ones in the okanogan. the desert. they dont have this much pressure for 2 months in there.  so tell me what you think, and if something should be done, what do you think. thank you for listening, and sorry for the ramble. just hate seeing my backyard destroyed by $$$$$$$$$

[WDFW-SUX]

I dont understand why they allow the entiat and chiwawa units to be hunted like they do.  they would be far better off if they rotated the archery hunt to a different unit every year so the hunt would not hammer the same unit over and over and over.......

I would like to see a Five year rotation for the archery permits like

1 Entiat

2 Perrygin

3 Alta

4 Chiwawa

5 Chewuck

[WAmuleyHunter]

agreed. great idea. something definitly needs to be changed. we cant let this happen. any longer

[Ironhead]

I know this won't be a popular idea but, I would like to see this unit managed like the desert unit. No general season, permit hunts only for rifle muzzy and archery. 150 tags total for the year. Then we could see the potential of this unit. I also think it's the best unit in the state and would love to see it managed as a trophy unit only.

[Ridgerunner]

Although I would consider myself a trophy hunter I disagree with creating another desert unit.  I do like the idea of rotating the archery hunters though and think the number of rifle tags given out should be no more than 30-35 for any of the late permits.  I don't think by giving out extra tags they are making any more money, it's just allowing more people the opportunity to hunt it. 

[MichaelJ]

Where would all the hunters go for the general if they closed the entiat units?  lol

Michael

[billythekidrock]

I am not familiar with that unit, but could the increase in permits have anything to do with the outbreak of disease? I know the mulies are starting to get hammered by parasites, just not sure where.

[bobcat]

The hair loss so far is in the units around Yakima and Cle Elum, according to the 2006 Game Status and Trends Report. It hasn't got as far north as Wenatchee or Chelan....yet.

[Muleyslyr]

Michael......they'd go over to Winthrop and Twisp with the rest of the state.   

By just closing down the Entiat unit during general season it would destroy surrounding areas eventually.  Absolutely should've kept it the way it was.  Been working pretty good up to this point.

[shag]

The muzzleloader guy's really get screwed!  Not a single big buck tag for front stuffers.  I wonder if the department adds more permits just to raise revenue?  I wonder also if they give out more assuming the same amout of animals will still get killed  Wonder if it's based on percentages?

They should reduce the rifle tags. Should reduce them enough to give frontstuffers a shot.  Yet still have the total tags alotted same or less than last year.

The dept. need to be careful with such a gem!  Still can't beleive the muzzloader guys totally screwed.

CD

[Craig]

That is the main reason I have not switched over to my muzzleloader yet. They don' t get jack for special permits.

Chiwawa 2 permits
Desert 2 permits
Naneum 2 permits
Quilomene 2 permits

give me a break.

[boneaddict]

I'd like to see muzzelloader regs go %100 primitive, I'm not sure what they are in this state.  I get really sick of seeing guys with these inline shotgun primer things with sabots, and being all proud of a muzzelloader kill.  Seems to me the only inconvienece they have is 1 shot.  Half the fun with muzzelloading is dealing with the weather, making your own lead bullets etc.  and then to hear of those that use flintlocks.  HOLY COW, now thats hunting!  If they were indeed %100 primitive I would feel a little more sorry for their tag allocations.  Just my opinion though.  I suppose the same can be said for archery, but I don't think its as bad as muzzelloading.

[WDFW-SUX]

the maximum range the best archer with the best equipment will make a good shot might be 65 yards, where as a muzzy might go 250. 

They should have to go with flitlocks, ball rounds and non rifled barrels. no more 209 and pyrodex.

[shag]

By primative I'm assuming you mean a side hammer.  Well got news for ya. They produce Green Mtn Barrels that come come with a 1 in 24" twist.  I have pards that have them on their Thompson Center side locks.    I on the other hand shoot a Thompson Center Firehawk.  It's an inline.  I have a 1 in 38" twist and I only use 100 grains of 777.  My max is 125 yds.  Your really only gonna get more range outa inlines that are loaded with 150 grains of powder.

I can't stand recoil so I only shoot 100 grains. Plus mine is most accurate that way.  So you see my pards Primitive with his Green Mtn barrel accually has the advantage.

Modern Bows will easily kill at 70yards and most will try 80 yds shots at a trophy buck or bull.  So I have a 40 to 50 yd advantage.  Hell I shoot pie plates at 60 yds with my old Martin Fire cat and it's 15 yrs old!

So why not make bow hunters carve their own arrows?  Chip their own arrowheads?  ETC.

Bottom line the front stuffers are getting screwed in Wash.

I use Black Belt Bullets.  They are a soild lead bullet.  They do have a small plastic powder check at the base.  Supposed to enhance velocity and accuracy.. Truth be told Hornadys Great plains all lead projectiles shoot just as good.

To think that going primitive with a front stuffer is not the answer.  Mostly because you'd have to go primative with a the archery guys also.  And that ain't gonna happen

I do feel that pellets should not be allowed and washington already outlaws anything but a solid lead projectile.

The only reason I went inline was to achieve a more reliable ignition.  Which in my eye's is a much more responsible solution.  To many guy's with sidelocks that hang fire causing a flinch and the possibility of more wounded and lost animals.  Not to mention I spend way to much money scouting and hunting to have a gun not go off.

I'd think that if they outlaw pellet's those same guys would start pouring powder again and most would cut back on the amount they pour.  Reducing the range of the gun.  Shotgun primers are NOT allowed in washington.

Inline's with 100 to 120 grains of powder are NOT capible of 250 yard shots.  Even if I shot 120 grains my max is 125.  Take away the pellets and most would be back pouring 90 to 100 grains.

Matter of fact with modern bows will shoot deer at 70 yds and reload alot faster than a inline muzzloader.  So we have a 50 yd edge on archery guys.  Big deal.  Archers have longer better seasons and harvest at least twice the amount the frontstuffers do.

Now who do think is at the disadvantage.  I know my pards side lock is capiable of better accuracy and prolly will stabilize the bullet for a little better range.  Outlawing inlines dosen't make since.

CD

[Slenk]

the maximum range the best archer with the best equipment will make a good shot might be 65 yards, where as a muzzy might go 250. 

They should have to go with flitlocks, ball rounds and non rifled barrels. no more 209 and pyrodex.

I had an inline (sold it after one hunt) didn't like it ,was no better than my flintlocks . If you tend to details the Sidelock Caplocks or Flintlocks will not be any slower in ignition or anymore unreliable .
I have hunted with Flintlocks for the last 25 yrs. . Killed my share of animals .
If I want to PO an inline shooter all I have to do is hand my Rifle or Smoothbore to my oldest son and watch him out shoot an inline shooter . He has also out shot Rifle shooters on trail walks many times with a Smoot bore .My eyes arn't good enough any more to do it .
No brag just facts . We have done it more than once .