Special Hunt Permit points

[huntergreg]

7 points for me. I have been putting in for points option until this year. I put in for archery in the Entiat

[buckreaper]

12 and counting. 

[methowman]

It seems strange that no one has 10 points on the poll. Ok heres some simple math that I did based on the poll. if there are 1000 aplications for a hunt area & the average is lets say 5 years or 5 points that would be 25000 names in the pot. Right 5 x 5 =25 x 1000 & if I have 8 points or a total of 8 x 8 =64 entries my chances of being drawn are 1/390.... still not that good.

[bobcat]

Yes, points certainly aren't a guarantee in drawing a permit as many people seem to think they are. Odds are very low for the popular permits even if a person has 15 points.

[Bob33]

It seems strange that no one has 10 points on the poll. Ok heres some simple math that I did based on the poll. if there are 1000 aplications for a hunt area & the average is lets say 5 years or 5 points that would be 25000 names in the pot. Right 5 x 5 =25 x 1000 & if I have 8 points or a total of 8 x 8 =64 entries my chances of being drawn are 1/390.... still not that good.

You math is exactly correct.  In fact, the overall average points for deer is closer to 2.8 so your odds would be around 1 in 120 in your example.

Unfortunately there are a large number of hunters who believe that everyone with lots of points should draw.  That's simply not true: there are far more applicants than permits for the desirable hunts.

[boneaddict]

I drew so I went from max down to zero in a big hurry, now I get to clib the mountain again while everyone else is already on top.   Welcome to a point system.  NO POINTS is the way to go.

[Pathfinder101]

For a state like WA, where we have waaayyy too many hunters and not nearly enough tags, Bone is right.  In states like WY, where you can award half the tags to the guys with the most points, and clear out (or nearly clear out) the max points pool every season, it works a little better.

[MtnMuley]

The way I see it, everyone can buy a hunting license and hunt deer, elk, bear, and cougar.  Nobody, pending a few circumstances, is denied the right to hunt these animals every year.  Each year, I plan my season on the general season which I will be hunting.  If I am so fortunate to be selected to a special permit to hunt a select season, then that to me is an added bonus.  It's not like you have to draw a special permit to kill a trophy animal.  
As for the OILs, I think the point system is the only way to go.  Reward those who have spent numerous years applying with a better chance of being drawn.  I would rather see a preference point system than a bonus point system though.

[bobcat]

As for the OILs, I think the point system is the only way to go.  Reward those who have spent numerous years applying with a better chance of being drawn.  I would rather see a preference point system than a bonus point system though.

But, how would preference points work with permits that have odds of 1 in 200, or 1 in 500? I don't think it would work very well. Certainly no better than our bonus point system. I think with the OIL species we'd be better off without points, and simply make it more expensive to apply, AND also they could only allow a person to apply for one species (moose, goat, or sheep.) Or, they could do like Idaho does, and if you apply for deer or elk permits, you cannot apply for OIL species.

[Pathfinder101]

Unless I am confused (which wouldn't be the first time BTW), "preference points" means that a percentage of the tags go to the applicants in the pool with the "most points" (like what I was talking about in WY).  It only works in states where there are enough tags to "clean out" the max points pool every year (or at least nearly clean it out). 
Someone who knows better can chime in, maybe I misunderstand the concept...

[MtnMuley]

Max point holders would be in the lotto for 75% of the OIL draws.  One under max and so on, would be in the running for the other 25% with only the top 3 or 4 point holders having a shot.  Some OIL (less desirable, less trophy potential) could be open for all to apply.

I totally agree with you on the 1 OIL per year deal.  Also, having it so you could only submit 1 OIL app per year for points also.

[boneaddict]

Thats their only real fix.   The 25% isjust a scam though when you are on the NR side of it, as a resident it might work better.  Like Wyoming gave out a whoopping 3 moose tags for NR this year in the random draw. 

[MtnMuley]

Unless I am confused (which wouldn't be the first time BTW), "preference points" means that a percentage of the tags go to the applicants in the pool with the "most points" (like what I was talking about in WY).  It only works in states where there are enough tags to "clean out" the max points pool every year (or at least nearly clean it out). 
Someone who knows better can chime in, maybe I misunderstand the concept...

Yes, but I don't agree with the part where in ONLY works in states where there are enough tags to "clean out" the max points pool every year (or at least nearly clean it out).  

[boneaddict]

OIL it works better only because once you draw you are done anyway.  Deer and elk it sucks cheese becasue you can never catch back up.  I feel bad for the youth though.

[MtnMuley]

Thats their only real fix.   The 25% isjust a scam though when you are on the NR side of it, as a resident it might work better.  Like Wyoming gave out a whoopping 3 moose tags for NR this year in the random draw. 

You're absolutely right about the NR deal.  I wasn't taking that into consideration.  Guess they would fit in where they do now.  Same as everyone else, and had better hope they'd been putting for the last 15 years.