Our public land rights could be in peril

[bbarnes]

Land Rights Network
Just a FYI this was sent to me and i thought i would pass it on we better plan to attend.
American Land Rights Association

PO Box 400 * Battle Ground, WA 98604

Phone:  360-687-3087  360-687-3087  * Fax: 360-687-2973

E-mail: alra@pacifier.com<mailto:alra@pacifier.com>

Web Address: http://www.landrights.org

Legislative Office: 507 Seward Square SE * Washington, DC 20003

　

　

Alert, Obama Great Outdoors Meeting In Seattle, Thursday, July 1st.

　

　

Alert * Alert -- Alert

　

　

Private property, multiple-use, recreation and rural community

advocates must attend.

　

　

This is a big deal. You do not want to miss out or find out later

that you lost rights because you failed to go to this listening

session.

　

　

-----There is a concept in law called *laches* or *sleeping on

your rights.* If you fail to participate in a planning process, you

may be prevented from asserting your rights in court later.

　

　

These listening sessions are the beginning of the Obama Great

Outdoors Initiative that will involve massive new land use controls

nationwide. Only the environmental groups and Congress are getting

notified ahead of time to the best of our knowledge.

　

　

This listening session is about the plan that is part of the battle

between the House Natural Resources Committee and the White House and

Interior Departments over the release of secret documents describing

the full extent of the Obama Great Outdoors Initiative.

　

　

We have included below the background information from the House

Natural Resources Committee effort to get the Obama Administration to

give up the secret documents about the whole Obama Great Outdoors

Initiative.

　

　

-----It is critical that the Seattle listening session be attended by

ranchers, miners, forestry advocates, recreation advocates, private

property rights allies, rural community advocates and anyone

concerned about the spread of big government and the Obama land use

control plans.

　

　

Below we have listed the information so you can attend the Seattle

listening session along with background information. This will be the

only listening session in the Northwest so you need to go.

　

　

You do not have to sign up in advance although that is good if you

can. The information to sign up by e-mail and fax are listed below.

　

　

Please accept our apology for the late notice but the Obama

Administration has so far been doing everything it can to keep these

listening sessions secret until the last minute except for the

environmental groups. So your attendance is critical.

　

　

Three listening sessions were recently held in Montana with limited

advance announcement distribution. Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) was

involved but did little or nothing to make sure his constituents

learned about the listening sessions. The meetings were held hundreds

of miles from the people most directly affected. This whole plan

appears to be a bait and switch effort to develop land use controls

across America. It is vital that you attend the Seattle meeting.

　

　

The three listening sessions in Montana had virtually no notice to

private property and multiple-use groups. The result was that many

people who support grazing, mining, logging, recreation, private

property and rural communities were not there. That must not happen

again. Montana residents should call Senator Baucus at  (202) 224-3121  (202) 224-3121

to let his staff know how they feel about being left out.

　

　

Washington residents can call Senators Patty Murray (D-WA) and Maria

Cantwell (D-WA) at the same  (202) 224-3121  (202) 224-3121  to express their concern

that these listening sessions be handled fairly and openly and that

all affected groups get notified. You can call any Senator at that

same number.

　

　

It is vital that your side of the issue be represented. This is about

the Obama America*s Great Outdoors Initiative, Treasured Landscapes

and National Monument programs. Millions of acres of private land

will be purchased under threat of eminent domain if this program goes

forward. Red tape and strangling regulations will in your future if

you do not stand up and oppose the Obama America*s Great Outdoors

Initiative now. The time to fight back is now, not later. You must

hit them early. You cannot miss this meeting.

　

　

-----Here is a recent Interior Department release:

　

　

Invitations to the America*s Great Outdoors public listening and

learning session for Washington were sent to stakeholder groups today

(read environmental groups). As you can see from the sample invitation

below, the event will be held on Thursday, July 1, 2010 in Seattle,

Washington.

　

　

On April 16, the President established the America*s Great Outdoors

Initiative to promote and support innovative community-level efforts

to conserve outdoor spaces and reconnect Americans to the outdoors.

　

　

The Initiative is led by Secretaries Salazar and Vilsack, CEQ Chair

Sutley, and EPA Administrator Jackson, who recently sent a letter to

each Member and Senator to inform Congress about the Initiative.

　

　

Senior Administration officials are visiting sites and participating

in listening and learning sessions around the country, in communities

where diverse coalitions are working together in innovative ways to

protect and restore outdoor spaces.

　

　

These sessions are intended to engage the full range of interested

groups, including tribal leaders, farmers and ranchers, sportsmen,

community park groups, foresters, business people, educators, state

and local governments and recreation and conservation groups. Special

attention is being placed on bringing young Americans into the

conversation.

　

　

For more information, or to add your suggestions on this initiative,

please visit: http://www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/

　

　

Please feel free to contact me or my colleague Nate Hundt with

questions.

　

　

Lara Levison

Office of Congressional and Legislative Affairs

Department of the Interior

 202-208-7693  202-208-7693

Lara_Levison@ios.doi.gov<mailto:Lara_Levison@ios.doi.gov>

nate_hundt@ios.doi.gov<mailto:nate_hundt@ios.doi.gov>

　

　

Join the Conversation about America's Great Outdoors

　

　

Americans have a proud tradition of working together - from the

ground-up - to conserve farmland and open space for future

generations, restore rivers and streams, protect areas for hiking and

biking, preserve beaches and coastlines, conserve wildlife habitat for

fishing and hunting, and restore the cultural and historic sites that

tell America's story. In fact, community-driven efforts to conserve

America's land, water, and wildlife are a major reason why we are

blessed with the parks, refuges, forests, and open spaces that we

enjoy today.

　

　

Starting with the White House Conference on the Great Outdoors held

on April 16, President Obama launched a national dialogue about

conservation in America. As part of this dialogue, we are bringing

together ranchers, farmers and forest landowners, sportsmen and

women, state and local government leaders, tribal leaders,

public-lands experts, conservationists, youth leaders, business

representatives, and others to learn about some of the smart,

creative ways communities are conserving outdoor spaces.

　

[Tony 270]

I saw a whole bunch of blah, blah, blah and not much that said what the land was wanted for. Then also the typical gov holding meetings last minute (to our knowledge and far from those potentially affected). Have anything that states facts and actual proposals?

[bigtex]

I saw a whole bunch of blah, blah, blah and not much that said what the land was wanted for. Then also the typical gov holding meetings last minute (to our knowledge and far from those potentially affected). Have anything that states facts and actual proposals?

 

Kind of hard to read with the spacing too

[WAcoyotehunter]

The meeting dates and locations are on the first page of the website.

This could be a good thing and might help protect our public land from mismanagement and from development or poorly managed resource extraction.   It doesn't appear to be a threat to hunting.

(b) The goals of the Initiative shall be to:
(i) Reconnect Americans, especially children, to
America's rivers and waterways, landscapes of national
significance, ranches, farms and forests, great parks,
and coasts and beaches by exploring a variety of
efforts, including:
(A) promoting community-based recreation and
conservation, including local parks, greenways,
beaches, and waterways;
(B) advancing job and volunteer opportunities
related to conservation and outdoor recreation;
and
(C) supporting existing programs and projects
that educate and engage Americans in our history,
culture, and natural bounty.
(ii) Build upon State, local, private, and tribal
priorities for the conservation of land, water,
wildlife, historic, and cultural resources, creating
corridors and connectivity across these outdoor
spaces, and for enhancing neighborhood parks; and
determine how the Federal Government can best advance
those priorities through public private partnerships
and locally supported conservation strategies.
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(iii) Use science-based management practices to
restore and protect our lands and waters for future
generations.
Sec. 2. Functions. The functions of the Initiative shall
include:
(a) Outreach. The Initiative shall conduct listening and
learning sessions around the country where land and waters are
being conserved and community parks are being established in
innovative ways. These sessions should engage the full range
of interested groups, including tribal leaders, farmers and
ranchers, sportsmen, community park groups, foresters, youth
groups, businesspeople, educators, State and local governments,
and recreation and conservation groups. Special attention
should be given to bringing young Americans into the
conversation. These listening sessions will inform the reports
required in subsection (c) of this section.

[Gringo31]

I see it as nothing more than a push to get everyone thinking green.  Global warming, carbon emissions, evil man etc, are all ruining the earth blah, blah, blah.  Try to get everyone to focus on the creation not the creator.

[Little Dave]

Here's the information they are gathering.

WE WANT YOUR INPUT
QUESTIONS WE NEED TO HAVE YOU ANSWER IN YOUR LISTENING SESSION.
During each listening session we ask these four questions. We ask that you do the same in your listening session.
1. Challenges: What obstacles exist to achieve your goals for conservation, recreation, or reconnecting people to the outdoors?
2. What works: What are the most effective strategies for conservation, recreation and reconnecting people to the outdoors that you have used?
3. Federal government role: How can the federal government be a more effective partner in helping to achieve conservation, recreation or reconnecting people to the outdoors?
4. Tools: What additional tools and resources would help your efforts be even more successful?

Can we get the kids to march with shovels?

It's held at Franklin High School.  If you live out of the area, you can use this map to find it...

[Elkaholic daWg]

The meeting dates and locations are on the first page of the website.

This could be a good thing and might help protect our public land from mismanagement and from development or poorly managed resource extraction.   It doesn't appear to be a threat to hunting.

 Regulate, regulate, REGULATE
But I see threats to other user groups that we should be banded together with. I can just imagine the comments from the city and county that dictates this as the menopause state. Here's the "It doesn't affect me" mentality. That approach worked well in Germany in the 1930s. see  Bearpaws signature

[WAcoyotehunter]

I agree that groups with common interests should help one another out, but mismanagement should be regulated.  If it wasn't we would not have any trees left in the forest and there would be a mine/well around every corner... We need to protect wild places from those developments and from resource mismanagement. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

  And after it's all said and done you learn that the sierra club, wilderness society, and defenders of wildlife are the same people. That's right.... USFWS and DOW  share a common leader. Lead one before the other after.
 Do you have any examples of USFS, BLM etc. land  being developed into anything other than ski areas? or mismanaged resources?

[Little Dave]

This film states 80 percent of our nation lives in the city... more kids are fatter and spend about half the time their parents spent outside.  Then on the other hand, the principle of closing down the resource industries such as logging, mining does what?  It causes more people to move to the cities for lack of work and become further detached from reality.  It causes the land to become ripe for developments like Suncadia.

Consider the last twenty years with logging shut down, mills closed.  About the only thing left behind in our rural setting is drug manufacturing and urban-principled, zoo-style wildlife management... yes there are a few towns like Winthrop and Leavenworth that *censored*ize themselves to sell waffle cone ice creams to folks from the city.

The federal government has little or no business in this discussion.  Ideally Washington forest lands held by the federal government should be managed by the state.  How is it that a congressman from Indiana or a senator from Connecticut or a president from Chicago give a damn about our resources and industry here when we have enough trouble as it is with our own east/west problem?  We shouldn't be sending so much money to DC.  For matters such as these, it should stay local where we have a better chance for accountability per tax dollar paid.

It is difficult to work with these environment-themed organizations.  They are lawyers and politicians seeking money and power.  They have captured a movement which started with the cleanup of rivers back in the 1970s and turned it into a money making business leveraging emminent domain for lucrative real estate deals and huge taxpayer funded lawsuits.  Where is the best place for people to be to perpetuate this deceitful business?  That's right... the city.  Just send in a $20 donation and we'll send you a canvas tote bag for your groceries with a picture of a tree on it.

[Elkaholic daWg]

  Good points Dave


 WAcoyotehunter,
  Here is a proposal for protecting one said "wild places" that is supported by all three organizations I mentioned before. and  might have a little problem with hunting the area after it is done. Same people-same goals





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Published: Sunday, June 27, 2010

IN OUR VIEW / EXPANDING NORTH CASCADES NATIONAL PARK

Completing a worthy vision
The National Parks may well be America's Best Idea, as filmmaker Ken Burns declared in his recent PBS series. The North Cascades National Park may be one of its best-kept secrets.

It's not that folks around here haven't heard of this majestic slice of natural beauty, which occupies nearly 685,000 acres on either side of Highway 20 east of the Skagit County town of Concrete. It's that most who have heard of it have never set foot inside. Highway 20 bisects the park, but none of it lies inside the park boundaries. Only one road leads from the highway into the park.

A tireless group of conservationists, led by the North Cascades Conservation Council and the Mountaineers, is pushing to make access a whole lot easier. That's part of a larger and very welcome effort, dubbed the American Alps Legacy Project, to expand the park's acreage by almost 50 percent. It would bring about 245,000 acres of U.S. Forest Service land and 57,700 acres of the Ross Lake National Recreation Area into the park. It's all a matter of redesignating existing federal land; no private land is involved.

Doing so will add needed protections to pristine streams, old-growth forests and sub-alpine lakes. And it will complete the original vision for the park, which came up short due to a series of political compromises when Congress created it in 1968. The Highway 20 corridor would become part of the park, with new entrances and visitor centers, along with 25 miles of new family-friendly trails. New visitor amenities would include waterfall tours, cultural interpretation sites and ecotourism viewpoints.

Some of the hearty souls who helped win the park's original designation, now in their 80s and 90s, are pushing the expansion effort. Among them are Laura and Phil Zalesky, both 86-year-old retired teachers from the Everett School District and two of the area's most celebrated conservationists.

The Snohomish County Council has unanimously endorsed the idea. Former Gov. and U.S. Sen. Dan Evans, who as governor helped spearhead creation of the park, is part of the campaign. Expanding the park requires an act of Congress, and that part of the politicking is just getting started.

First comes a summer of community outreach, during which the North Cascades Conservation Council and others will hold informational meetings throughout the area. They've been meeting with interest groups, such as hunters, to win support by ensuring that new boundaries are drawn in ways that minimize disruption of traditional activities.

They also commissioned an economic impact study, which found that the expansion would lead to the creation of about 1,000 jobs, most of them tourism-related.

With the National Park Service's centennial coming up in 2016, we can't imagine a more appropriate way to mark the occasion here than by improving on America's Best Idea, and letting more Americans enjoy it.

[WAcoyotehunter]

  And after it's all said and done you learn that the sierra club, wilderness society, and defenders of wildlife are the same people. That's right.... USFWS and DOW  share a common leader. Lead one before the other after.
 Do you have any examples of USFS, BLM etc. land  being developed into anything other than ski areas? or mismanaged resources?

And after the miners, loggers, and developers have their way we will have no wildlife to worry about, or habitat to enjoy.  I tend to lean towards more regulation on our public land because a few people getting rich at our expense (or that of our lands) does not interest me. 

[logger]

who getting rich, more regulation, are you serious

[wolfbait]

  And after it's all said and done you learn that the sierra club, wilderness society, and defenders of wildlife are the same people. That's right.... USFWS and DOW  share a common leader. Lead one before the other after.
 Do you have any examples of USFS, BLM etc. land  being developed into anything other than ski areas? or mismanaged resources?

And after the miners, loggers, and developers have their way we will have no wildlife to worry about, or habitat to enjoy.  I tend to lean towards more regulation on our public land because a few people getting rich at our expense (or that of our lands) does not interest me. 

WC, If you look where the wolves have been you will see that wildlife is not of any concern. This is nothing more the meetings such as the wolf meetings we had, they can say that there was public review and then carry on with the land grab. Remember this is just the beginning, more land locked, no hunting, No fishing, No anything, all in the name of the lie conservation.

[Elkaholic daWg]

who getting rich, more regulation, are you serious

 I think he is, and I saw no comment regarding protecting all that area around North Cascades NP from hunters either.


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