lighted nocks

[yajsab]

Voted no cause I'm going broke.

[highside74]

If you voted no for lighted nocks then I dont want to see you hunting with anything more than a long bow and cedar arrows tipped with rocks.

 You tradition guy's on your high horse kill me. I am actually suprised it's 50/50 right now seeing how that club leans heavily traditional. You guy's are the same guy's that faught for keeping 65% letoff until  Pope and Young said there was no more advantage between 80% and 65% proven.

It doesn't give any advantage to the hunter before or during the exacution of the shot. Only after the arrow is on it's way does it come into play. Therefore I don't see a problem with it.

[Ray]

You see high side nobody is on a high horse. I for example, have clearly layed it out for you to read. In fact the high horse can be conceived as those who propose the drastic change against the status quo.

First you lament someone  who has explained in good detail why they do not approve of this equipment you cannot use and then you propose restrictions on them for a reason which has little to no basis other than angst. I have and still do hunt with a longbow and am not using cedar but this year have lodgepole pine arrows.

The basis in proposal for lighted nocks reads to me as if "We are archers and we plan on taking shots when it is too dark to see the arrow." I believe that sends a message to the public and to the Game Commission that we plan on being unethical in the field and taking shots using poor judgement but will rely on this technology to fill the gaps and hopefully all will turn out well.

[rasbo]

big no vote here..Come on guys the bows now days are way over board in my mind to be considered bow hunting...I used white nocks on mine and they were fine.what next laser sights?I dont want to see scopes on muzzle loaders either.

[JBar]

It seems that technology advancement didn't hurt the ML hunters for a longer season, they got a week of the archery season and received the right to use jacketed bullets. What do you think they will push for next? Scopes, sealed breeches or 209 primers? Of course they will, it's human nature to see how far we can push the cake and eat it too theory.

I think Highsides point with the cedar arrow comment was appropriate and accurate that traditional bowhunters on committees are setting limits on most archers. But when someone makes a comment on limits for traditionalist they get snapped at! If you don't think there is technological advancements in your traditional equipment think again! Laminated risers, synthetic strings, clickers, lathed cedar or pine arrows and glass inlays in the limbs are all examples. Remember that all archery equipment has evolved from the simple stick and sinew string with a simple rock tipped cedar stick for an arrow.

Ray though it's not quite the same thing I find it funny that you use traditional equipment, shoot down technology advancements in archery then give up on signing up for WSB because their electronic membership form hasn't worked for you. You could just walk into the sportsmans show and sign up there like in the old days. Not an attack on you Ray I'm Just sayin!  

I voted yes in approval for lighted nocks because like others have said they help in the aid of recovery. A non ethical hunter is going to still be a non ethical hunter with or without these nocks.  

[Machias]

If you voted no for lighted nocks then I dont want to see you hunting with anything more than a long bow and cedar arrows tipped with rocks.

 You tradition guy's on your high horse kill me. I am actually suprised it's 50/50 right now seeing how that club leans heavily traditional. You guy's are the same guy's that faught for keeping 65% letoff until  Pope and Young said there was no more advantage between 80% and 65% proven.

It doesn't give any advantage to the hunter before or during the exacution of the shot. Only after the arrow is on it's way does it come into play. Therefore I don't see a problem with it.

You know I have been bowhunting since 1979, hunted compounds the entire time.  This will be my first year with a longbow. Amazingly in ALL those years I never lost an arrow or an animal...probably because I have always maintained my discipline to shoot within a respectable (close) distance.  It doesn't have ANY thing to do with traditional archers.  At archery appropriate ranges, I have no trouble seeing where my arrow impacts.

[huntingfool7]

Can't imagine never losing an arrow.  Maybe that's a dry side thing where you don't have such thick ground cover, ferns and slough brush?   

[Snapshot]

A non ethical hunter is going to still be a non ethical hunter with or without these nocks. 

But WITH those nocks an otherwise ethical hunter may be tempted to take the risky shot! That is the point!

I was just this morning trying to remember the last time I lost an arrow that I'd loosed at an animal and I can't think of a single one in the past 18 years.

[danceswitharrows]

The only thing I like about lighted nocks is they make alot better youtube videos

I like the current rules and hope they stay in place:
No lighted nocks
No expandables
No Crossbows
No bow mounted range finder

I always know where my arrow hit...right where my pin was on him 

[Ray]

Look all of you guys who want to claim elitist traditionalist pig are completely wrong. I have explained several if not a dozen tangible items which have nothing to do with elitism. Then you come and try to pin that on people who you cannot agree with. Why? Because you are angry and outraged that someone would have a differing opinion more than likely. I have not objected to your opinion and cast your names in a poor light. I have simply detailed why someone will vote no. I'm not going to hide in a corner just to please people like you.

People live and breathe by their ethics and the idea of Fair Chase is not a dead one. It is very much alive.

So do yourself a favor and think before you sling elitist arguments. It's a losing argument.

What this proposal is is telling the game commission and public that archers intend to make poor judgments in the field shooting animals when it is too dark to see their arrow; and that they want and expect the game commission and WDFW to back them up when they make these poor decisions. It's in my view one of the poorest justifications I can imagine for electronics on the bow and arrow.

[huntingfool7]

If you can see your sights and the target with natural lighting it is not too dark to shoot.  It's like watching hunting videos, if they use lighted nocks you can see exactly where the arrow goes.  If they don't it is very often not possible to see the shot without slow motion footage.

Guess I should resign to the fact that I'm too old and my eyes are too tired to be in the woods.  Or maybe I should use one of my old bows @ 180 fps and no sights.  It would make for a nice cane 

[chim-chim]

I agree with JBAR, people that are unethical will still be unethical lighted nocks wont stop them from what they already do, If people dont want to accept technology and its advances then all bow hunters should have to use home made bow, arrow, string etc. everybody has there own opinion i guess

[alanger]

why the heck would you need a lighted nock??? not supposed to hunt in the dark  

[Atroxus]

Ray said it very well in his reply. I will emphasize that they are an aid to taking risky shots; too dark or too far.

This doesn't make any sense to me....unless I misunderstood how illuminated nocks work. My understanding is that you can't see the light until AFTER the arrow has been fired and that it essentially turns your arrow into a tracer allowing you to see it's flight path, and helps to find it afterward. If that is how they work I don't see how that could possible make someone more likely to take a shot beyond their normal range or in poor lighting. Personally I can't see anything about this that would give any advantage to the bow hunter other than the ability to tell if the arrow they fired was a clean hit or not, and possibly allow them to recover arrows that might otherwise be lost in the brush after exiting the animal. Am I missing something here?

Honestly I think if you can't see where your arrow is impacting with colored fletchings or a white nock, then it is probably inappropriate lighting to take the shot.   I think folks will try shots they shouldn't with these items.

I tested a bow at cabellas in a well lit store. I was shooting in a target that had a couple arrows in it already and after releasing I couldn't tell where the arrow I fired had hit. Not everyone is blessed with perfect eyesight. Honestly I think that people that take bad shats will do so regardless of what gadgets they have, and those that don't won't. Allowing or denying certain pieces equipment does not magically make someone an ethical hunter.

[boneaddict]

Highside, just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I am on my highhorse.   I also own and use a compound bow, and don't want them for it either, so there.  Apparantly your inability to convey your opinion in a reasonable arguement means you have to result to insults.  That sounds like a tactic a flaming liberal would use. 

I think that the WSB would be better served lobbying for better or longer seasons or more units to hunt than wasting their time over lighted nocks.  and......since I am on a high horse, it appears to me that if you are incapable of harvesting a deer cleanly without the use of a lighted apparatus stuck on the end of your arrow, then maybe you should take up rifle hunting, and yes, I have some of those too.