PRIVATE PROPERTY/ BUCKLEY ELK!

[huntlakewood]

If you knowingly trespass, to shoot an animal, it is exactly the same as poaching. It's just like shooting an animal in a closed unit. Too many "hunters" ignore private property, and they should be punished harshly.

It just comes down to respect and there are alot of hunters that do not have respect. THat is why most land onwers will not let you hunt there land. Land owners work hard for what they have and don't want there land mistreated by any one. I got permission to hunt some private land this year and got a 2 point drove right down to the guys house and asked him what he drank. I had a bottle at his house the following weekend and I am going to bring him some summer sausage when it is done. I think just for me holding my word even something as small as a bottle made him happy.

[Special T]

I have 2 different scenarios for you... Fist if you hare hunting corporate or DNR land, cross county and stumble on some ones 40-80-100 acre patch should you be  treated the same as a road shooter? or someone who wheels across the property?
The second is i have tried to get written permission to hunt on certain peoples property....ALL I CAN GET IS VERBAL! Many land owners are worried about liability and don't want a piece of paper tagging them to you... So when i get jumped by the neighbor demanding to see my written permission where am i left?

I think the system isn't perfect but i'm satisfied with the way it is. 

[csaaphill]

I have 2 different scenarios for you... Fist if you hare hunting corporate or DNR land, cross county and stumble on some ones 40-80-100 acre patch should you be  treated the same as a road shooter? or someone who wheels across the property?
The second is i have tried to get written permission to hunt on certain peoples property....ALL I CAN GET IS VERBAL! Many land owners are worried about liability and don't want a piece of paper tagging them to you... So when i get jumped by the neighbor demanding to see my written permission where am i left?

I think the system isn't perfect but i'm satisfied with the way it is. 

well my hope is for the WDFW to start their land access program and hope It opens up some land where I hunt.
I guess tell the guy you have premision but not written and to go ask the farmer if this is true or not, better yet offer to go with the guy to the owner that way he can't say your lying. Luckly for me in my permissions I got the written permission or at least used to and still would if I went there more than likely. The one land I used to get permission from which is a cousin to the other landowner is dead and so I don't think I could now but may stop in agian.

[money794]

i live in buckley k the guy i heard he had permission to shoot an elk and he kept the animal

[7ultra]

there are lots of people willing to give permission  just ask  and the guys in buckley  most of them did/do have permission

[engelwood]

This topic gets my blood pressure up too. It is ridiculous that people think that it is no big deal to trespass on private, posted, property to shoot a deer/elk. IMO I think that if someone is caught trespassing on private, posted property that they should be fully held responsible and that it should be considered poaching or be treated the same way with regards of fines and punishment. Should everyone be able to go onto Hanford property and shoot giant elk and deer? I mean, that is the same thing, just looking at who owns the property is what keeps people from doing it doesn't it? That's bull in my mind. Still a wild animal yes, but it is the same thing in my mind as shooting a deer in a GMU that isn't open.  I'd probably try to rationalize it and say it is not the same and is okay to do if it was something I have ever done and wanted to somehow make myself believe was okay, but that's not the kind of person I am. 

[liljozie495]

anyone here about the guy in enumclaw who poached a 6x6 or something like that?... i got word of it when i came into work today and one of my co workers had asked me about it (being i was born n raised in enumclaw etc.) i havent heard any details, i checked some of the herds driving by them today to see if any of them were missing.... and i seen every bull in them that i saw during WSMF season even... is it spoof or for real? it wouls be a sad shame to see or hear someone had poached one of the big bulls out here, yea being a hunter and all...everyone gets that oh man i want that on my wall yadda yadda...but if your gonna poach or take something on someones private property with no permission.....just take a pic with your camera is what i say or do haha!

someone inform me on this post if they did hear about a enumclaw bull taken recently...(like over the past weekend recently)

thanks

[BigZum]

Been watching this post for some time attempting to stay out of the conversation but when I read "money" statement I thought I would post a few facts. Fact 1) the individual who shot the bull in the field in Buckley DID NOT have permission to be on the private land. Fact 2) No the land is not posted but does not need to be to be charged with Criminal Trespass in the second degree "misdemeanor", can glady post the RCW (revised code of Washington) if needed. Fact 3) Yes the City of Buckley has an ordinance that makes it illegal to discharge any firearm in the City limits of Buckley, (misdemeanor) Fact 4) When applicable there is also a law called Reckless Endangerment this is a (gross misdemeanor)
Misdemeanors are punishable by 90 days in jail and $1,000 dollar fine, a gross misdemeanor is punishable by 1 year in jail and a $5,000 dollar fine. PUBLIC RECORDS show that the individual who shot the Bull Elk in the City limits of Buckley on private property was charged with all three crimes. Fact 5) No game violation was committed, many laws where broken, but game laws where not one of them. Those are the laws that Officers and Game Agents have to deal with on a regular basis. Remember they do not make the laws they enforce them. Folks like your selves lobbying in Olympia is the only way laws get passed so something can be done further in situations like this post. Until then this topic will keep coming up year after year it will just be in a different town. Simply put the laws need to be stiffer with a bigger bite.That's my  for whats its worth.

[deleted BGS]

I have talked about this subject for many years around the campfire up hunting. Some of those hunters were police, a couple of CPA's, 1 IRS agent and 4hvac techs like myself!

If you shoot animal on private property and that animal is in season, and you have a tag and licence, the only law broken was the trespassing! And every person mentioned above has said it should also be "considered by LAW" a form of poaching when an animal is downed on "private" land. The actor,first offence for the tresspass will get little to no punishment, and still keeps the animal!

I know a guy who shot a deer in a farmers field off of 20 by twisp. The cops came wrote him a must appear tresspass charge, and then HELPED him load the deer into his truck.

Why is this not considered a form of poaching?
Why does "i didn't see the no trespass sign" get you off of the trespass charge?


Your thoughts!

Ya somethin like that happened this year in Buckley. I had been archery elk hunting in enumclaw on private property then around Buckley a little. I drove out around the state school and spotted a heavy 6 dark horn,nice bull. Knowing its the city limits, i had to just watch it. Then about a month later some guy shoots it with a muzzy? Even though the area is not well posted, you shouldnt shoot into an area you are not sure of. THe cops and game warden came escorted him to his bull, helped him load it, then fined him. He kept the bull and made the paper?? My buddy shot a bull in enumclaw with an arrow and it ran onto private land. He talked to the owner and he told him to f- off. SO he called the warden, and he was allowed to look for his bull. People are idiots and would rather no one find the injured/dead bull than hunters go on their property.

[deleted BGS]

i live in buckley k the guy i heard he had permission to shoot an elk and he kept the animal

The guy did not have permission to hunt. Plus its in the city limits! You cannot shoot a gun in the city limits. he got a tresspassing fine

[Wenatcheejay]

For me it is not worth the charge or to violate my ethics to tresspass. It is not poaching to tresspass. The landowner does not own the "Wild Game." If we are going to charge people with crimes that are not what they did why not charge them with "Domestic Violence" for tresspassing. Then they loose firearms privileges. (Or, create an equal new gun ban program.) I have heard of people getting far more than just a $500.00 ticket for first offence. One case was for elk up North of Spokane.

My personal opinion is life is easier when we follow the rules. Many landowners need our help to protect their land. Tresspassers often do a lot of damage. They cut fences, leave trash, I know a guy who has a bullet hole in his house. Sure, I know the landowners who think that Game belongs to them because it is on his/her property. But, I know more landowners who have been burned by people who have no respect for private property.

My  to people is, "Please don't tresspass. It does so much damage to the reputation of us lawful, respectful hunters."

[BigZum]

Well put (wenatcheejay) !! I feel the same way. I don't care what it is in life it is not yours then ask before you act. No acceptions. On the other side the laws actually are very clear that's the point I was trying to point out. Only laws that are applicable to the event or situation (crime) can be applied at that incident. Of course every body has different passions in this world that touch their hearts and tug at their nerves so certain people want to see people in deep do do for different crimes. But when all the smoke clears and the Officers and/or Game Agents now have to deal with the situation they can only enforce the laws that are on the book. They do not have the pleasure of making up laws to enforce on some dip *censored* that trespasses and shoots an Elk on Private property. Because believe me I know plenty of them and if they could make being STUPID a Felony they would. 

[liljozie495]

wenatcheejay...you sure a very well put point there.

[rosie673]

The ruling seems to be different down here where I am from.  When people trespass and get caught it depends on if the land owner has a valid tag or wishes to give it to a person in their family whether or not the trespasser keeps the elk or deer.  If the land owner does not want the animal, then the violater gets to keep the animal and is charged only with a fine.  I can recall 3 different scenarios where this has happened in the last 3 years around here and have heard the same comment come from the local wardens mouth. 

[bigtex]

The ruling seems to be different down here where I am from.  When people trespass and get caught it depends on if the land owner has a valid tag or wishes to give it to a person in their family whether or not the trespasser keeps the elk or deer.  If the land owner does not want the animal, then the violater gets to keep the animal and is charged only with a fine.  I can recall 3 different scenarios where this has happened in the last 3 years around here and have heard the same comment come from the local wardens mouth. 

Ya that is a lot different then Washington state law. Where are you from Rosie?