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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #165 on: December 08, 2010, 02:57:52 PM »
there has to be some law on blocking access and egress on roads,just like blocking an intersection...but that's not here or there is it...common courtesy don't block roads and don't step on somebodies hunt,know the road system

Most timber companies do have rules against blocking roads. It can enforced under the trepass law. But if your a WDFW officer patrolling what is a better use of your time, making sure people tag their animals, don't have loaded guns, shoot from trucks, responding to other poaching calls, etc. Or some guy blocking a logging road that only goes a mile farther? Especially considering most prosecutors don't give any importance to trespassing, let alone a trespassing case that is simply a guy blocking a road.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #166 on: December 08, 2010, 02:59:30 PM »
 :bs:


Who's going to  be the material witness that testifies i was laying on my  horn?  :dunno:  Mr. Chipmunk ??   The first thing that comes to mind for me when i see a vehicle blocking a road is that there is illegal activities taking place further past the road block. You can flex your  you cant do this, you cant do that  or you'll get this penalty  muscles all you want it doesnt make blocking the road acceptable to me at all.
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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #167 on: December 08, 2010, 03:01:46 PM »
Thanks bigtex,
I was curious, because I've had to talk people out of pulling a blocking vehicle or cutting down a tree behind their car or whatever.  These were some of the things that I was thinking of.  So best course of action I guess is getting a picture with a license plate?

Yup. Picture with license plates work the best, maybe even a couple different angles of the vehicle and the situation.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #168 on: December 08, 2010, 03:03:42 PM »
:bs:


Who's going to  be the material witness that testifies i was laying on my  horn?  :dunno:  Mr. Chipmunk ??   The first thing that comes to mind for me when i see a vehicle blocking a road is that there is illegal activities taking place further past the road block. You can flex your  you cant do this, you cant do that  or you'll get this penalty  muscles all you want it doesnt make blocking the road acceptable to me at all.

I was just simply telling you the laws. If you have a problem with them then contact your legislator. And nowhere did I say that blocking the road is acceptable, I said your actions in response to a blocked road are far more criminal and carry stiffer penalties then simply blocking a road.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #169 on: December 08, 2010, 03:05:02 PM »
WOW!  Couldnt wait to get through that thread.  I think we are missing some points here.  JMTC first off.  

If you are driving down a road and see that its blocked and you drive around that road block, you have already made a conscience decision there could be conflict upon reaching those who blocked the road. You arrive at the location and contront the offending individual/s.  This case two of them one of you.  Heated discussion takes place, one of the two draw down on you----you leave hastily!  From a legal perspective you dont stand a chance in court.  First off, its two against one.  Who drew first will be the key to who is guilty of what.  Second, by drving around the vehicle you made a conscience decision to confront those offending individual/s.  Freedom of speech allows this to happen but when you throw in weapon play its a whole new ball game.  If Sportsman reacted in self defense the legal rangle of his actions would probably bankrupt him for life and he would probably still end up in jail.  

The best course of action, walk away or run when you can.  If you shoot, stabilize the situation as quick as possible and get a LEO on scene ASAP!  

I carry when I hunt and yes its for self protection.  I wouldnt hesitate a second to use it if necessary, hesitation will get you killed. Just the same, I dont go looking for trouble with someone who is already carrying a weapon.  

Sportsman did the right thing in walking away, he did the wrong thing confronting the two offending individuals on their turf.   :twocents:

I dont agree with blocking roads just the same I wont drive around someone who is blocking the road.  Ill hunt elseware and live to eat by tag soup chased with scotch!  

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #170 on: December 08, 2010, 03:05:45 PM »
 @ BigTex:      Roger that I read you loud and clear.
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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #171 on: December 08, 2010, 03:12:26 PM »
I'm just going to add: What he said, meaing BallisticsNut. That about sums it up so far I think.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #172 on: December 08, 2010, 04:03:43 PM »
Chester....

Does Weyerhauser approve of you blocking their road? Does the Dept of Wildlife approve of you blocking the road so they cannot patrol the area.... Or do they just figure since it is you hunting, they can F themselves?

Blocking a road is wrong. You could block someone in that you do not know is there. You claim that driving in will mess it up? So the guys in the white yota must not have driven to the end of the road..... How did they know that nobody was ahead of them?

You need a drivers ed refresher course. If I wasn't such a nice guy and some *censored* blocked me like that, I would wrap his yota with a tow strap and barrel roll him out of the way.

I cannot believe the guys on here willing to spout their unwritten rules of the woods which place themselves above everybody else, which take claim to the wildlife, and are the demise of common courtesy that hunters used to have.   :bash:

Wow Ice. Did I get on your bad side?  :chuckle: Where did i state that I block roads? I dont. if there isnt a turnout ill do the half on, half off thing. (one side pulled into the ditch) No i dont outright block them. I leave enough room for anyone to get around incase of emergency, someone is already down the road, or i happen to tag out and i call a buddy to come help me without me walking back to the truck.No complaints from weyco or the wdfw about my parking yet. so dont know what to tell ya?

the guys in the yota? well according to the OP he and them were the only ones in there at the time. maybe they took an educated guess?
So you would respond to the crime of trespassing by destroying someones vehicle? you might just be heated. im hoping thats not the case. im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. Ice you know i try to help people and give advice yourself included. my advice is dont make a big deal out of something so minor. its a big area. there are other animals. instead of making a mountain out of a mole hill and making a confrontation. why not focus on finding some animals so you can fill your tag.instead of trying to make sure someone else doesnt fill theres.

why are people getting so butthurt over being late to the party? seriously if it frustrates you that much GET UP AND GET THERE FIRST. Its a really simple solution.

those unwritten rules are called manners. common courtesy would be to not try in drive in on someones hunt. how is that such a hard concept? I dont block roads. but if my truck is there it should be apparent that im in there hunting. and to drive in on me is complete bs. if you want the spot get your ass out of bed and get there before me and i will leave you to it. So know we are supposed to write a manual on common sense? is that the only way some people will understand it? If its not in print it doesnt apply?

as far a people placing themselves above others? well id put a guy who would be happy for someone elses success and let them have a shot at it way above someone who is out for themselves and needs to be a dick just because it isnt outlawed yet.  :bash:
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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2010, 06:36:02 PM »
Well, I live up Winston Creek.  Here is my  :twocents:

This particular year I have picked up more TRASH in the hills behind my house (which butts up to timberlands), no roads or trails, just cross country than any time since I've lived here.  This is just what I've been able to run across when hiking/hunting in the woods, and I bet it isn't 10% of what is there, I've picked up nearly a full garbage bag of candy wrappers, pop cans, sandwhich bags, etc.   This is just what hunters decide to throw down after they've sat down and had a snack and didn't have the decency to put it back in their pack or pockets.  A lot of the pop cans are stuck on limbs or brush as I guess it looks cute to sissy (insert much nastier word to understand my anger) hunters. >:(

As far as I'm concerned if the trash tossing doesn't stop you can all stay home. :dunno:

Or go somewhere else.  That'll solve all the problems brought up as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2010, 06:36:16 PM »
...i personally turn around if i see guys walking a dead end road.or if theres a rig parked at a road that ends.they were there first let em have it.theres plenty of area to look at......
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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #175 on: December 08, 2010, 06:44:47 PM »
This type of thing is why permit-only elk hunting would be a good idea in this state.

Make it all permit.

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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2010, 06:54:31 PM »
Chester, you are right, I am not saying you when I say "you"...  :chuckle:  And of course I would not cause damage to anyones gear. My point is only that when someone purposely decides to park and block, bad things may come of it. I am fully aware of just about every RCW which may affect ones possible arrest and eventual criminal history...  ;) I know Malicious Mischief when I see it. I also know Assault 2nd.

None of us really know what the other guys are ever up to. A vehicle blocking could be broken down. It sounded like the white Toyota was driving in, found game, and decided to keep them to themselves. I bet they didn't even know if anyone else was further in the road. When they decided to claim the elk, they had no idea that others may have already been pursing the herd, possibly after a wounded animal. They assumed everything it sounds like.


I only hope that guys who do this behavior understand that it is they who are violating the norm. A civil society would have looked a lot different that day. They would have parked to the side, then pursued their game. If another hunter came along, the original guys would not have threatened him. They may have had a word with him, but no threats, no weapons. This land is my land, this land is your land... This is America last time I checked.
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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #177 on: December 08, 2010, 07:04:17 PM »
I did not realise how many A$$hats are on this site  :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:


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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #178 on: December 08, 2010, 07:06:10 PM »
I did not realise how many A$$hats are on this site  :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:


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Re: Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010
« Reply #179 on: December 08, 2010, 07:11:45 PM »
I heard there is going to be a new series on the Discovery channel titled "Road Hunters-Dirt Track Attack"

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