Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[rasbo]

I doubt much of it was hunters. More likely brush pickers. They like to use bottles and cans like we use surveyors ribbon.
 

 
yes they do make a mess..But has anyone seen how blue creek,the carbon river looks during a fish run?The ass wipe left all over the roads by hunters...Its an individual thing some people are just pigs

[44 Flattop]

Boy this thread has amazed me at what people will do to kill an elk.  Blocking roads, verbal threats, pulling weapons on other hunters this is absolutely ridiculous.  It seems that some people will  do just about anything to get an elk  

I've always said there is something 'wrong' about elk hunters.  Not to get anyones panties in a bunch however, I'm an elk hunter also.  But something gets 'switched' inside elk hunters heads somehow, sometimes.  I once was hiking into Snowgrass Flats during elk season with my brother who was home from cutting timber in Alaska.  It just turned out to be elk season when he could be here.  As we are hiking up the trail there was a burst of gunfire followed by sporatic shooting.  When we got around the trail we find a fellow in the trail shooting at least 1000 yards up the hill at a herd of elk, offhand.  We needed to get around him to go where we were headed and all the sudden he notices us coming toward him and swings his rifle around and points it at us, butt against his shoulder, finger on the trigger.  He starts screaming at us "those elk are mine, those elk are mine, you get the h*ll out of here or I'll kill you."  He didn't even seem to notice that we didn't even have a rifle with us.  You want to see something frightening?  Just look into the eyes of someone who is out of their mind with what I call 'elk sickness'.  They just ain't right upstairs.  We turned around and got the heck outta there, though we went down the hill and went around the guy and back up to the trail to get to where we were going.  I've never forgotten that guy and a few others in later years similiar that started me putting elk hunters into their own catagory in my mind.

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[jeepasaurusrex]

By the sounds of the way he was shooting, the safest thing you could of done was stand still and present the biggest target. 

[44 Flattop]

By the sounds of the way he was shooting, the safest thing you could of done was stand still and present the biggest target. 

  Now that is FUNNY!  Somehow even after all these years, that thought just somehow never struck me.....

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[funkster]

Drawing a bow on someone is down right wrong and he should be punished for his actions. I am sorry this happen to you and you did the right thing by getting out of there.

With that said every gate was open,even the gates that are usually never open. I know the 1108 very well and it is a dead end road,with how many rigs where down there and how many guys where trolling every road, even overgrown old grassy spurs, I see nothing wrong with parking in a manor that lets another hunter know you are trying to "walk in hunt" down that dead end road. There are so many lazy hunter's that ruin hunts for the guys that like to put miles on their boots instead of their trucks. This actually gives you a chance at hunting the elk instead of scaring the elk with your diesel truck that you can hear from 2 miles away. The funny thing is they always ask you "did you see those elk" as the elk run away.

I have said it 1000 times and will say it again, CLOSE ALL THE GATES like in early season and most of thees problems end. The hunting is so much better and the elk are a lot lest stressed. They could easily make a rule that all red arrow roads are walk in only hunting if they have to open the gates but most guys wouldn't follow it anyways

[GHETTO GUIDE]

Glad I went back to muzzle for a few years, I use to hunt the Winston.  

Welcome to the ENTITLEMENT GENERATION OF PEOPLE.   They feel its their right to drive to the end of the ( dead end)  road even if you are already parked back a bit and stalking in.  When did this become accepted ??  If you know the elk / animals are there and want to hunt here,  then park your truck and walk in too.   Nothing worse than having some one drive up  your back, when you parked back a bit, trying not to scare animals away, and they follow you down the road in their truck ..... because its "their right",.  Yes I understand its public land but where did this "its my right" attitude come from?    Yes if its a main line then you should have not blocked it

I dont do much road hunting so not much of an issue to me.
I guess we (my hunting community) were raised different.  Hunting with morals and ethics and a code of conduct in the woods. 

Common people we arent  F-ING starving . This is suppose to be fun.  

[Band]

Nope, no one is back there with the exception of me for about 275 days of the year.  90 days later when season is closed, garbage is everywhere.  Those 275 days per year find me back in the woods hiking almost every day.  3 years ago I saw a State guy doing some surveying, other than that, just me. 

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I detest litter and a lot of people continue to do it, including hunters.  For my own sanity I had to back out of a group of hunter friends a few years ago because they refused to stop littering and it ended friendships.  For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would be so callous as to throw their garbage on the ground rather than pack it out of the woods and put it in the trash can where it belongs.  And don't get me started on people who throw cigarette butts out the window of their car and the additional fire hazard that poses!  Have some respect and common sense!

I'm not a private land owner but if I were and I allowed access to the public I would close it down immediately and permanently if someone threw their litter on my property.  I'm amazed that private timber companies and the like put up with that BS all the time and still allow access to the public.

Flattop, if you ever decide to make a garbage run out in the woods let me know and I would be happy to bring a bag and help out for a day.

[howlow]

Oh I see. Honestly I really don't believe it's all that bad out there. Other than the fact that there ARE too many hunters for the number of elk available to hunt. But going to permit only would solve that problem.

I didn't see anybody totally blocking roads where I was hunting. What I did see was vehicles parked back a ways from the end of spur roads that ended on landings in clearcuts. Normally the vehicle would be parked at least halfway off the road, so that if a person really wanted to get around, you could. And I see nothing wrong with that. These are roads that would only go another 1/4 mile or so. There's no point in driving right out on top of the elk. This was an area where there really isn't anywhere you can walk without walking on a road. So it's not like you can park somewhere and walk two miles to get away from the roads and all the other hunters. The roads were everywhere, but so were the elk.

This state will never go to permit only.  This state is for money for them. They sell more license than permits.   I propose the up the permit price to cover the loss of tag sales!!!

[GEARHEAD]

This thread basicaly speaks to hunters in general these days. i've been hunting only maybe 23 years, but have watched the slide in character and attitude, it makes me ponder, whether its possible to be an antui hunter, and still be a hunter yourself at the same time. these days i see the answer to that question is; its very pissible.

[Angus]

Anyone who thinks this kind of crap only happens in the Winston unit are fools, happens everywhere.

A buddy of mine had a rifle put in his face and was told to get lost while gutting HIS elk in the Manastash about 15 years ago. Another buddy, hunting near Forks came back to his rig with 4 slashed tires, no idea why, anti's? maybe, or maybe he beat another hunter/A-hole to "his" spot?

Fishing is the same thing, I never considered packing until about the last 5 years or so, now I don't leave home without "my little friend".
Sad that things have come to this, but thats hunting/fishing in an over-crowded state.

[bigtex]

Anyone who thinks this kind of crap only happens in the Winston unit are fools, happens everywhere.

A buddy of mine had a rifle put in his face and was told to get lost while gutting HIS elk in the Manastash about 15 years ago. Another buddy, hunting near Forks came back to his rig with 4 slashed tires, no idea why, anti's? maybe, or maybe he beat another hunter/A-hole to "his" spot?

 
People blocking roads happens in every unit in this state.

[Bob33]

Here’s what someone reading this thread might conclude: 

•   Everyone on this site is either stupid, an A hole, or both.
•   Blocking roads is acceptable sometimes, but in other instances it is not.
•   Elk hunters are inconsiderate slobs that litter and shoot up gates and signs.
•   Interfering in another hunter’s stalk is cause for drawing a deadly weapon.

It’s a good thing that we have such a large percentage of our state’s population that hunts, otherwise one might consider hunting a threatened activity.

[44 Flattop]

Flattop, if you ever decide to make a garbage run out in the woods let me know and I would be happy to bring a bag and help out for a day.

Sonuvagun, Band   That is an awfully nice offer.  I'm very VERY glad to see someone else feels the same way about litter that I do.  I sometimes get thinking that me and my son are the last ones, at times. 

I usually take my backpack along with a garbage bag in it when I am taking a few guns for a walk...er...trying to get some exercise.  Over a period of time I eventually get the handle on it. 

If it looks like I am unable to get 'er all cleaned up, be forewarned, I WILL let you know!  Thanks again

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[halflife65]

Here’s what someone reading this thread might conclude: 

•   Everyone on this site is either stupid, an A hole, or both.
•   Blocking roads is acceptable sometimes, but in other instances it is not.
•   Elk hunters are inconsiderate slobs that litter and shoot up gates and signs.
•   Interfering in another hunter’s stalk is cause for drawing a deadly weapon.

It’s a good thing that we have such a large percentage of our state’s population that hunts, otherwise one might consider hunting a threatened activity.

Great observation.

[billythekidrock]

I doubt much of it was hunters. More likely brush pickers. They like to use bottles and cans like we use surveyors ribbon.

Nope, no one is back there with the exception of me for about 275 days of the year.  90 days later when season is closed, garbage is everywhere.  Those 275 days per year find me back in the woods hiking almost every day.  3 years ago I saw a State guy doing some surveying, other than that, just me. 

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If I had a dollar for everytime I thought I was the only one using an area.