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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #315 on: September 23, 2011, 07:57:24 PM »
I just looked at the Sterner Duttera Fire Fly glowing nocks and it is the answer for everyone!  :)

http://www.sternerduttera.com/store/firefly_glowing_nocks_stay_lit.asp

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #316 on: September 23, 2011, 08:34:33 PM »
Awesome no need now to even consider allowing electronics on your bow or your arrow.  This product changes the whole debate.  Nice find!!!
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #317 on: September 23, 2011, 11:50:36 PM »
Who's ethics??? yours or Joe Dirtbags.....Enough of the I, I, me, me stuff.....look hard at the whole picture AND the consequences to bowhunters as a group......yes, we are individuals, but we are lumped into a group for the season setting process.....for better or for worse. 

What you don't seem to understand is this, for those of us who are great shots and never lose an arrow or animal, whats the point. But for those of us who hunt in the real world wounding is a part of it and that is a fact covered in many states including ours and the statistics prove it.

With that being said, if your in favor of wounding animals, and with, the who cares attitude maybe YOU should not hunt.

And for the argument that the success rate Will determine our seasons, think again.
The animals that have been wounded, most likely died will never breed. Now if you have less wounded animals you have more deer being bread and more offspring at birthing time, IE more deer.

How can you shorten the season?

And for the slippery slope WTF. Are people smokin crack?
Look at each item on its own merits or are you incapable of doing that?

Machias, if you honestly believe that you get he same effect shoot two arrows one with your fletching and one with a lighted noch, out of a blind into a field of alfalfa during the last minutes of the golden hour ( within legal light ) wait 45min and without a flashlight, find your arrow, NOT the same effect.
Wheather your in the tall grass or in the pines, good luck with that.

This Item only helps you recover. Thus not bumping your game and taking the chance of loosing it and then shooting another one because it could not be found.

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #318 on: September 24, 2011, 07:45:29 AM »
 :yeah:

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #319 on: September 24, 2011, 09:53:24 AM »
Who's ethics??? yours or Joe Dirtbags.....Enough of the I, I, me, me stuff.....look hard at the whole picture AND the consequences to bowhunters as a group......yes, we are individuals, but we are lumped into a group for the season setting process.....for better or for worse. 

What you don't seem to understand is this, for those of us who are great shots and never lose an arrow or animal, whats the point. But for those of us who hunt in the real world wounding is a part of it and that is a fact covered in many states including ours and the statistics prove it.

With that being said, if your in favor of wounding animals, and with, the who cares attitude maybe YOU should not hunt.

And for the argument that the success rate Will determine our seasons, think again.
The animals that have been wounded, most likely died will never breed. Now if you have less wounded animals you have more deer being bread and more offspring at birthing time, IE more deer.

How can you shorten the season?

And for the slippery slope WTF. Are people smokin crack?
Look at each item on its own merits or are you incapable of doing that?

Machias, if you honestly believe that you get he same effect shoot two arrows one with your fletching and one with a lighted noch, out of a blind into a field of alfalfa during the last minutes of the golden hour ( within legal light ) wait 45min and without a flashlight, find your arrow, NOT the same effect.
Wheather your in the tall grass or in the pines, good luck with that.

This Item only helps you recover. Thus not bumping your game and taking the chance of loosing it and then shooting another one because it could not be found.

Sorry but your whole thought process is complete CRAP.  Instead of working harder, restricting your shots to as high a chance as possible, (STOP taking risky shots) you too can loose the gadgets.  Your mentality is what is wrong with alot of bowhunters today, always looking for the easy way out, always relying on technology instead of making yourself better.  This item only helps you recover game?  No it only helps you recover your arrow.  You put TOO MUCH stock into gadgets.  I have killed probably 40 whitetails with my bow, I have tracked a few animals after dark, I'm not a rookie.  Illuinocks are not the cure all for lost game.  SO again are YOU for shorter and shorter seasons due to the increased success of finding game?  I mean that is what your saying, less game animals lost=increased harvest rates.  I will tell you what pisses me off about your statement is the acceptance of wounding.  BOWHUNTERS stop accepting the fact that wounding is part of the game and you'll have less wounding, because you'll have the ethics to NOT take those risky shots.  WOUNDING does not have to be the norm.  The more I think about your statement the more ticked I get.  If all the illuinock does is help you find your arrow how in the hell is that going to stop or lower wounding rates?????????????  If your so concerned about bumping an animal......wait longer!!!
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #320 on: September 24, 2011, 10:09:15 AM »
Wish they would just legalize them.  There is no advantage to the hunter and would help track the animal in an effort of being more humane.  Wake up Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife!!!

I agree 100% would also assist in finding your arrow, when it passes through the animal.
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #321 on: September 24, 2011, 10:55:56 AM »
Still not sure of the shorter hunting seasons angle.  I hunt in an area that only allows one weekend for mule deer for the year!!  I guarentee it is not because of harvest numbers.  Has anyone noticed the amount of black bear.  I have seen more bear this year than I can remember.  Is the season longer..no.  Do they allow baiting....no.  Bear and couger numbers directly affect the deer numbers way more than a few hunters using a lighted nock or expandable broadhead.  Do the math.

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #322 on: September 24, 2011, 02:33:24 PM »
Still not sure of the shorter hunting seasons angle.  I hunt in an area that only allows one weekend for mule deer for the year!!  I guarentee it is not because of harvest numbers.  Has anyone noticed the amount of black bear.  I have seen more bear this year than I can remember.  Is the season longer..no.  Do they allow baiting....no.  Bear and couger numbers directly affect the deer numbers way more than a few hunters using a lighted nock or expandable broadhead.  Do the math.

Shorter seasons are directly the cause of a lighted nock!  Oh yeah, we cant use those yet.   :dunno:
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #323 on: September 24, 2011, 03:08:40 PM »
It boils down to the current rule of not allowing electric or electronic accessories to be mounted to your bow or arrow.   If the rules get changed to allow electronics, our primative weapons status will be compromised.  This will lead to the already sought season for traditional hunters.  A new traditional season would come at the expense of the other archery season....maybe not yours where you hunt, but most definetly, to many of the longer late season hunts.  Its not about the benefits or advantages of the illuminoc, but more about not loosing anything we currently have.  If you hunt with a compound, this very real possibility should raise your hairs......Im not looking to loose any more hunting opportunity so some of the guys can have the next, neatest gadjet. 

Wildwind, If you are suggesting I dont live or hunt in the real world, you are sadley mistaken....Ive hunted this state for over 40 years, every nook and cranny........what some of you guys think is good hunting now, is absurd.  Im also retired, live where I can hunt most anything from home, and spend a great deal of time in the woods, mostly by myself.....I wont wait for others, and gladly go it alone.   I recommend you hold your judgement on people you havent met......keep things to the point and try not to make it personal.......if you cant,  maybe YOU shouldnt be here.

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #324 on: September 24, 2011, 05:05:24 PM »
Who's ethics??? yours or Joe Dirtbags.....Enough of the I, I, me, me stuff.....look hard at the whole picture AND the consequences to bowhunters as a group......yes, we are individuals, but we are lumped into a group for the season setting process.....for better or for worse. 


Personal, shouldn't be here. Did you read your own post?

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #325 on: September 24, 2011, 08:39:48 PM »
It boils down to the current rule of not allowing electric or electronic accessories to be mounted to your bow or arrow.   If the rules get changed to allow electronics, our primative weapons status will be compromised.  This will lead to the already sought season for traditional hunters.  A new traditional season would come at the expense of the other archery season....maybe not yours where you hunt, but most definetly, to many of the longer late season hunts.  Its not about the benefits or advantages of the illuminoc, but more about not loosing anything we currently have.  If you hunt with a compound, this very real possibility should raise your hairs......Im not looking to loose any more hunting opportunity so some of the guys can have the next, neatest gadjet. 

Wildwind, If you are suggesting I dont live or hunt in the real world, you are sadley mistaken....Ive hunted this state for over 40 years, every nook and cranny........what some of you guys think is good hunting now, is absurd.  Im also retired, live where I can hunt most anything from home, and spend a great deal of time in the woods, mostly by myself.....I wont wait for others, and gladly go it alone.   I recommend you hold your judgement on people you havent met......keep things to the point and try not to make it personal.......if you cant,  maybe YOU shouldnt be here.
How do you know illuminocs will lead to a primitive weapons season? Out of every state that has allowed illuminocs why would we be the only ones to go to a primitive season as a result? I don't think anyone wants to lose hunting time but I don't see how an illuminoc will lead to that. I don't see how the slippery slope argument has any weight if we take each device for its own merit.
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #326 on: September 24, 2011, 08:41:35 PM »
Still not sure of the shorter hunting seasons angle.  I hunt in an area that only allows one weekend for mule deer for the year!!  I guarentee it is not because of harvest numbers.  Has anyone noticed the amount of black bear.  I have seen more bear this year than I can remember.  Is the season longer..no.  Do they allow baiting....no.  Bear and couger numbers directly affect the deer numbers way more than a few hunters using a lighted nock or expandable broadhead.  Do the math.
I have also seen more bear this year than any other year... I am even seeing a lot of bear where I have not seen them before.
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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #327 on: September 24, 2011, 10:14:23 PM »
I think this thread is nothing more than a giant merry-go-round.  I keep reading the same stuff over and over.  I can't even imagine having 2 different bow seasons, one for modern bow and one for traditional.  That's a new angle.  If you want to go that way, why not just split it up so longbow without sights gets every other Wednesday in November, recurves with no sights gets Thurdays, Fridays are shared with bowhunters that uses fingers instead of a mechanical release, weekends are for compound shooters, and Monday/Tuesdays are for the illuminock/expandible slippery slope type guys.  Those that chose to hunt with their bare hand have the 1st of September through the end of December because that is how they did in the old days.  Crazy reasoning going on here.

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Re: using illumanock in Wa
« Reply #328 on: September 24, 2011, 10:19:56 PM »
Think we can fit a short spear season in there somewhere as well?   :dunno:

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« Reply #329 on: September 24, 2011, 10:24:38 PM »
Absolutely!!
 

 


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