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Quote from: Little Dave on June 12, 2010, 09:06:51 PMPrivate citizens can capture probable wolves and collect specimens for testing. This is arranged through the "scientific permit." The permit is issued by WDFW. Presumably, during capture, if the animal is determined by a credible biologist to be a hybrid, it could be dispatched as provided by law.We don't have to wait for the state to do any of this. We can do this... and I have some experience working with the state in this capacity.Dave, how hard would it be to get one of those permits?
Private citizens can capture probable wolves and collect specimens for testing. This is arranged through the "scientific permit." The permit is issued by WDFW. Presumably, during capture, if the animal is determined by a credible biologist to be a hybrid, it could be dispatched as provided by law.We don't have to wait for the state to do any of this. We can do this... and I have some experience working with the state in this capacity.
Quote from: haus on June 11, 2010, 02:20:35 PMCan you imagine calling yourself a wildlife biologist but only presenting preferencial facts to the public? You'd get laughed out of the room. Are you going to tell us that a majority percentage of the biologists studying these wolves are being entirely neutral and withholding any of their social or economic views from their reports? Without speaking for the biologists that are working on the wolves in WA, I would guess that they are tired of being flamed (generally irrational rants) by the public for something they have no real control over. They didn't put the wolves here, they're just trying to do their job and learn what they can about them. Maybe there is bias, i suppose it would be easy to form...but I think the people (at least the field staff) are trying to do their best with the situation.I guess the stuff I've seen from the agencies has been pretty accurate. Without going into ridiculous conspiracy theories, what have they said that was untrue? What evidence does anyone here have to refute their biology? The whole documentation thing is a challenge. The agency can't really produce a news release about a wolf sighting...they needed to gather REAL information and document reproduction before they could 'go public'. I'm doubtful that they ever denied having some wolves in the state. Instead they were wary about making a claim of a pack when it wasn't reproducing. I think they were right to err on the side of caution.
Can you imagine calling yourself a wildlife biologist but only presenting preferencial facts to the public? You'd get laughed out of the room. Are you going to tell us that a majority percentage of the biologists studying these wolves are being entirely neutral and withholding any of their social or economic views from their reports?
What would you guys think about a question answer session with a wolf biologist... especially one that we may not agree with... Do you think we could just ask intelligent Questions? We may not be able to get one on our forum but get answers via email... I guess i should start a poll...
Quote from: Special T on June 16, 2010, 08:25:20 PMWhat would you guys think about a question answer session with a wolf biologist... especially one that we may not agree with... Do you think we could just ask intelligent Questions? We may not be able to get one on our forum but get answers via email... I guess i should start a poll...As long as it's not someone who reads much on this site you might be able to find someone who will talk with you.
one major concern of mine would be that folks on here would just call BS because the answers don't match what they believe to be the case.
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on June 13, 2010, 01:22:07 PMThe subspecies should be discussed. That is one of the problems with translocating (not introducing to the state, but moving within) wolves from Eastern Wa to the Cascades...some people lump some people split...in this case we should probably think about it before wolves are moved from here to there. It might not be appropriate for the wolves in PO county to be in the cascades, but there is little evdidence to tell us what was where... why wasn't this part of the conversation and why hasn't it been mentioned in the WWG proposals then? why would the WWG ramrod legislation that ignores such information and leaves out any window of opportunity for it to be discussed? If such possibilities are even remotely true then why is it being ignored by our states biologists? Why would it not be mentioned by them? You know a simple "hang on guys we see there are possibly some fundamental differences between the two packs, its possible the ecological impact could differ between the two if placed in western wa" why is that so hard to say?
The subspecies should be discussed. That is one of the problems with translocating (not introducing to the state, but moving within) wolves from Eastern Wa to the Cascades...some people lump some people split...in this case we should probably think about it before wolves are moved from here to there. It might not be appropriate for the wolves in PO county to be in the cascades, but there is little evdidence to tell us what was where...
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on June 17, 2010, 06:45:07 AM one major concern of mine would be that folks on here would just call BS because the answers don't match what they believe to be the case.that would depend on the biologist in question
Quote from: haus on June 17, 2010, 07:51:26 AMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on June 17, 2010, 06:45:07 AM one major concern of mine would be that folks on here would just call BS because the answers don't match what they believe to be the case.that would depend on the biologist in questionWhat it would really depend on is the willingness from the folks on both sides to listen to stuff they might not want to hear.What biologist in their right mind is gonna want to come on here, explain wolf science, and then get their heads torn off by all the folks on here, then called a liar, then called a DOW supporter, then on and on...I don't see it happening. I'd love to see it but I don't think you'll convince a bio to do it.