Yeah right...I remember that you a another guy were pretty damn good, Chris is good but just real soft and he had the routine down. And yeah I'm sure there were some wink winks going on. I sat at the grand Nationals this year and vanilla and soft won't cut it. You got to bring it and you got to throw in those pops and whistles. Hendershot killed it doing that stuff. I think that's what got him the title again. I hope we can get some kind of calling contest going again, whether it's through the NWTF or not. I am probably stepping down at our chapter...done my time and lot of family things going. I know Arlen" Event Coodrinator" at Cablea's still wants Turkeydancer and I to do a seminar regardless of an affiliation with a group. So there's still hope.