Sabotloader, tell me about elk bullets.

[fair-chase]

Sabotloader, thanks for all of the great information. Very helpfull.

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader, thanks for all of the great information. Very helpfull.

ubetcha... I am just sharing my information and information I have borrowed from others...

[Karl Blanchard]

Just got done burning some powder with some 250gr deepcurls and was very happy with how they shot.  slinging arrows this year but the wife has a muzzy tag for deer so I think this will be the bullet she will shoot this year.  Can't wait to see how it performs on flesh!  Thanks for the suggestion Sabotloader.  I really enjoy when someone does all the research and groundwork for me

[Sabotloader]

Just got done burning some powder with some 250gr deepcurls and was very happy with how they shot.  slinging arrows this year but the wife has a muzzy tag for deer so I think this will be the bullet she will shoot this year.  Can't wait to see how it performs on flesh!  Thanks for the suggestion Sabotloader.  I really enjoy when someone does all the research and groundwork for me

the 250 is a great deer bullet - it is effective and quick if the shooter gets in the area...

[The100Road]

Where do you buy the Speer Gold Dot/Deep Curl?  I looked on Cabelas and Midway, but didnt see where either of them sold these?

This one for elk and deer to 200 yards.

http://www.gamaliel.com/45Caliber451/speer-452-300gr-45-caldeepcurl-soft-point.asp

This one for deer easily to 175 yards....

http://www.gamaliel.com/45Caliber451/speer-452-250gr-gold-dot-hp-45-cal.asp

You guys keep talking about .45 cal, but do they make these in .50 cal?

If so, I would like to give them a try in my A&H 50 cal. If they dont, Sabotloader, what would you recommend?

They are a 45 cal bullet (.452) and then you will need a sabot to fit your gun.  I am pretty sure that I shot MMP HPH-24's in my A&H or Harvester Smooth black sabots will also work.  I would use the Harvester 5045LB with either bullet but a lot of folks like the 5045SB (short black)

Hi Sabotloader,
I have always just gone the easy route and used Powerbelts or 300gr Hornady SSt. I am getting more interested in these Speer Golddot's. I see that these are for a 45 "handgun" but you are saying they work for my 50 cal traditions vortek? all i need is the jacket to put on them? sorry for my ignorance. Also i talked to a guy that says the 300gr is to small for elk. I have had Zero problems with 300gr taking down the 4 elk i have shot at. The gentleman that i talked to shoots 348gr powerbelts. Is 300gr being to small your opinion as well? Thanks for any info you can give me.

[Sabotloader]

Hi Sabotloader,
I have always just gone the easy route and used Powerbelts or 300gr Hornady SSt. I am getting more interested in these Speer Golddot's. I see that these are for a 45 "handgun"

The .452-300 grain Deep Curl was designed for the 454 Casual. A very large hunting pistols.  I was watching a show awhile back with this guy hunting with a scoped 454 Casual - he took a one shot kill on a really nice bull elk. Cannot remember the range it was nothing spectacular but it was not in his lap either.

but you are saying they work for my 50 cal traditions vortek? all i need is the jacket to put on them? sorry for my ignorance.

Sure they will, you will need to find the correct size of sabot (jacket) to fit your Vortek.  I do not know what that might be as I no nothing about the bore on a Vortek.  Both MMP and Harvester build 45050 cal sabots of different thicknesses to get the right loading pressure in many different bores.  I use a MMP HPH-24 black sabot.

Also i talked to a guy that says the 300gr is to small for elk. I have had Zero problems with 300gr taking down the 4 elk i have shot at.

The gentleman that i talked to shoots 348gr powerbelts. Is 300gr being to small your opinion as well? Thanks for any info you can give me.
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Well everybody gets own opinion and that really is OK… But if you do your part a well made 300 grain bullet will do the job just fine.

This cow never got a chance to complain to much when this 300 grain Nosler got her…

 

She wasn’t the biggest cow in the group but she took up plenty of room in the truck



This was the recovered bullet – it was lodged in the leg bone on the opposite side of the entry wound – 180 yards



This mid sized bull also caught a Nosler



I have some others but you get the ideal…

The gentleman that i talked to shoots 348gr powerbelts. Is 300gr being to small your opinion as well? Thanks for any info you can give me.

The gentleman really could be right when it comes to Power Belts or any lead bullets 300 grains could be marginal at the longer ranges especially if you shoot it with a heavy charge to reach those ranges.  Please do not take this as a slam of Power Belts… but a Power Belt is really nothing more than an elongated lead ball.  With that in mind I would be the first one to suggest to you use a heavy lead projectile.  Here in Idaho during our ML season we are required to use a lead conical.  I shoot a .503-460 NTMex Bull Shop for that season but for rifle season I am good with a 300 grain bullet, either a premium Nosler, Barnes, or Lehigh like I am using now.

This is the 300 grain bullet I am using now…



And to tell you the truth I would even use this .458-275 grain on an elk to 175 yards without much thought…



The Speer Deep Curl .452-300 grain bullet is no slouch… it is bonded so it stays together and does have a built in system to control expansion as do the Premium bullets…

Hope this answers some of your questions and does not cause a lot of confusion…

Where are you in WA = probably the west side huh?

[The100Road]

Yes Sir, westside I am. Thanks for all your info. What is the best way i can go about finding the correct size sabot?

[Sabotloader]

Yes Sir, westside I am. Thanks for all your info. What is the best way i can go about finding the correct size sabot?

I just do not know anyone with a Vortek, to even ask about sabot size.  I know there a few on this forum for sure.  You might just post that question and I am sure you will get some responses... Other than that I could mail you a sampler to try?

[WonkyWapiti]

Sabotloader, what bullet starter are you using with the Lehigh aka Knight Bloodlines bullets?  Will my Barnes TMZ starter work with these bullets or will I need to pick up a different one?  Thanks Wonky

[Sabotloader]

I would assume the Barnes Aligner would work just fine.

I use the Spin Jag (Original) on my Range rods...

http://www.spinjag.com/spinjag_original.php

And I use a simple TC Super Jag on the gun rods...

https://secure.tcarms.com/store/super-jag-45-cal-cat-no-9241.html

Here is one that is installed on one of the gun rods.  I cut the rod length down and add the Super Jag.

[Karl Blanchard]

colockumelk has been bugging me about new muzzy bullets so I am bumping these old threads that have lots of good info in them.  Its never too early to start working up new loads!  Thanks again sabotloader for all your amazing research!

[hillbilli]

If the .352 gold dot is unavailable, or you cant get it, you might try the .458 speer 300gr made for .45-70. you would need to get the orange mmp sabots, 9as it is a .458) but i beleive it is the same construction and made for the same velocities, as the .45-70 folks load them from 1800-2100fps... as to the fellow who said a 300gr was too light- remember a PB is a full diameter (.50), not a .45 caliber. A decent constructed 300gr .45 bullet at 1600fps will do for anything in north america, and has time after time..

[colockumelk]

Because of your advice I got the Speer Deep Curls in 300grains. Got the Black HPH/24s for the sabots. Wish Nosler still made partitions but couldn't find them anywhere. 

[Sabotloader]

Because of your advice I got the Speer Deep Curls in 300grains. Got the Black HPH/24s for the sabots. Wish Nosler still made partitions but couldn't find them anywhere. 

It would be nice if Nosler was still producing Partitions in the .452 or even the .458 but no such luck...

PM me an address - I'll send you a sample of the replacement that I use...

The 300 grain Gold Dot is a very good bullet - think you will like it...

mike

[Pathfinder101]

Thanks for reviving this thread.  I bought muzzy tags for PathfinderJR and I this year (hoping to draw cow tags at least) and was just looking for some good bullet research.
Thanks.