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would the temp pass allow me to drive in and scout before season? I guess ive never really heard of a temp pass what all can you do with it? I couldnt find alot of information by doing the search on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Quote from: BowBender87 on June 30, 2011, 12:15:42 PMwould the temp pass allow me to drive in and scout before season? I guess ive never really heard of a temp pass what all can you do with it? I couldnt find alot of information by doing the search on here or anywhere else for that matter.They will sell one to your buddy, but not you because you didnt draw and they already sold out all of their yearly passes. If your buddy does buy one, you cant be in the vehicle with him on their property otherwise they will take his permit if they catch you guys together. I think it cost $275 for the White River Tree Farm pass, but I wouldnt waste your money. We had bull permits in White River last year and we had a pass, but you can get to most of the good spots on Hancock's land by just riding a mountain bike. There is also a ton of FS and DNR land that hold a lot of elk. PM me with your number and I will give you some advice.
well it sounds like it should be an exciting hunt for sure. I checked out the Hancock website but didnt see where my buddy would be able to purchase a pass. Money is def not an issue, we're going to do this right and do what we have to in order to bag a good bull. So 7mag you think you can point me in the direction on to how my buddy can pick up one of these passes? If anyone has some pictures of a White River bull id love to see it.
Quote from: BowBender87 on June 30, 2011, 11:16:08 PMwell it sounds like it should be an exciting hunt for sure. I checked out the Hancock website but didnt see where my buddy would be able to purchase a pass. Money is def not an issue, we're going to do this right and do what we have to in order to bag a good bull. So 7mag you think you can point me in the direction on to how my buddy can pick up one of these passes? If anyone has some pictures of a White River bull id love to see it.There is no info about Hancock passes on their website. You purchase the pass at Work Sports in Enumclaw. Here is the recreational access info phone number for Hancock: 1-800-782-1493.
The White River Unit should not be a quality elk hunt...the tribes dominate all of it and have access to it year round. Before it was a draw hunt, we were archery hunting in there and two indians laid out four elk with rifles and we were stuck with our bows. I have still had success around that area though because they do not want to get out of there trucks and glass. There is a lot of land that is accessable through the hancock land, but I wouldnt waste your money on it. Your just as likely to get a nice bull if you go up 72 road. Hit the timber and the 15-20 ft tall noble fir patches. The strong scent of those noble firs cover your stench up well and the elk up there tend to rut hard in those trees at about that age. Get up there and try to locate a bull before light and start your stock. Find wallows in the hidden timber and stick to them if they are being using in the heat of september. These are pictures of what I found up there and the bull i got archery. They are up there....there just taught to hide.
Gonna have to fight for the last couple bulls that are left with the indians. Good luck!
I drew this tag for the first time this year and have been scouting twice so far and have seen over a hundred elk every time that was on hancock land havent wonder over to the 72 road yet but will be doing that tuesday
Who is this bowbeder cat? Comes on here to dig for info? Just schittin ya Corb, I'll see if I can get any more info for ya, and let ya know next time I see ya at work. Might wanna check with Jake up in Birch, I know his brother or buddy had it the same year Matt did. Later
I think the Indian season starts the 15th of September, so all of you arrow flingers show have a head start on them at least. Based on what I seen last year, the 72 and Knoble Knob area are the way to go!
I talked to their enforcement officer many times last year. He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year. Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research. They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls. He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty. I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe. There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes. Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.
Quote from: cem3434 on July 04, 2011, 06:20:39 PMI talked to their enforcement officer many times last year. He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year. Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research. They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls. He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty. I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe. There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes. Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.I would venture to say that you are the one with limited information on the tribes when it comes to hunting elk in the white river. I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mucks and the 10 other tribes that hunt there. I get my info from the warden that has over 30+ years fighting these a holes. No one said there was no elk left, and the indians do for a fact slaughter the elk in there....Not all Hate comes from rumors, most of the hate for the way the tribes hunt is from real facts. They rub it in our face and most of us hate them for it, it may be our governments fault but it's just the same old bs that will be around forever. As far as the thread getting jacked, I think he's had some good help so far. People are telling it the way it is for the most part. I would love to have the tag someday, I just hope they put it in the bull catagory where it belongs or open it to everyone and not just the tribes with a few lucky non indians to draw permits.
Quote from: trophyhunt on July 04, 2011, 07:42:14 PMQuote from: cem3434 on July 04, 2011, 06:20:39 PMI talked to their enforcement officer many times last year. He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year. Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research. They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls. He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty. I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe. There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes. Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.I would venture to say that you are the one with limited information on the tribes when it comes to hunting elk in the white river. I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mucks and the 10 other tribes that hunt there. I get my info from the warden that has over 30+ years fighting these a holes. No one said there was no elk left, and the indians do for a fact slaughter the elk in there....Not all Hate comes from rumors, most of the hate for the way the tribes hunt is from real facts. They rub it in our face and most of us hate them for it, it may be our governments fault but it's just the same old bs that will be around forever. As far as the thread getting jacked, I think he's had some good help so far. People are telling it the way it is for the most part. I would love to have the tag someday, I just hope they put it in the bull catagory where it belongs or open it to everyone and not just the tribes with a few lucky non indians to draw permits. The WDFW Officer in that area is approaching 40 years as a WDFW Officer and has spent it all in that area. The White River was the first has been the worst killing area for tribal elk hunting in the entire state. The area has the most tribes in the state that hunts it however the biggest problem for that one officer (and others that have worked the area) has always been the Muckleshoot tribe.
Like I said before, I understand that you and many other members have been fighting with the tribes for along time and NOBODY likes the fact that they basically have a private hunting reserve. This is obviously a very touchy issue with you and several others on this site, so take all of your anger and try to figure out how to make your elected officials work for you. I do agree with you that if WDFW isn't going to properly patrol the unit, then re-open it to everyone and don't just let the Indians kill the majority of the bulls in the unit.I with you on this statement, but with the money the tribes throw at the politicians our voice will always fall on deaf ears. As far as the wardens objectives, I can't and wouldn't speak for him but I'm pretty sure it would be a life long dream of his and many, many others in this state if we could all be seen as equals in the field and on the water.
I do piss people off and that's not what I'm intending to do, this subject is the most important to myself and other hunters that I hunt with. Not to mention a few guys on this web site. The white river is my favorite unit in this state mostly because it's where I grew up in as far as my hunting life goes. And it used to be over the counter for years, if I could hunt the blues everyear for big bulls then that would be my favorite by far. So I don't mean to be personall it's just my fav spot and when indians do what they want in their it eats at my core, and a few others. No bad feelings intended.
As far as Bruce goes, he has been in that area for a long time and it appears to many people that he sometimes has his own objectives. This is the opinion of many others that I know because of some decisions he has made, especially with relocating cougars closer to Enumclaw. I probably spent 30 days in the unit last year scouting and hunting and I never seen him one time. I have only ever met the guy one time about 10 years ago and he didn't say anything that pushed me into liking or disliking him. I do agree with you that if WDFW isn't going to properly patrol the unit, then re-open it to everyone and don't just let the Indians kill the majority of the bulls in the unit.WDFW should up there patrols in units like the White River where the Indians hunt. In all of my time scouting and hunting last year, I only ever seen one DNR patrol officer and the Muckleshoot enforcement officer several times. The lack of patrol is one of the biggest problems and this is something you could probably do something about if you called your elected officials enough.
