Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots

[Wenatcheejay]

Thank you YakNDN for your input. I think some of the local worries were that they would not be able to fish from shore all year.
I agree that there is some "blow it out your ass" talk around here. If people don't like what is going on they need to join sportsmans groups and donate money, write letters, attend meetings, and be ready for a tooth and nail fight for every inch of every cause.
Otherwise, it's just "asstalk."

[PlateauNDN]

You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.
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 tribal people would not have a problem with you fishing off of it. I think it is a bunch of crap all together. I was in Drano about a month ago and one Tribal member had about 15 spots he was going to build. That's greedy and *censored*ty. I feel they should pull out all of them and go back to just the Tuesday gill net season. I am a platform owner on the Columbia. Sturgeon fisherman use it all the time even put a rod holder on it for them.

My apologies YakNDN I didn't notice you had responded while I was typing and I have as well helped out friends but up in the Icicle area not the Columbia area.  I have found working together produces quality results not quantity and I would rather have quality over quantity any day.

[Yak-NDN]

You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.

this is gonna be catty but

the first white guy to fall off a platform is gonna sue who? the tribes or the state.....there is no way they will let us use them...
 what would happen first is more of our land shut down so we cant use it and they can...the platforms look like hell and the shoreline full of fish carcasses doesnt help its nasty and shows a serious lack of respect for nature the environment and other people.....why should I have respect for someone who obviously has complete lack of respect for anyone but themselves? and I actually bet they dont respect themselves much either ... its greed plain and simple.....

Sue who? lol that's funny *censored* first thing you can think of. lol Sue happy? And the carcasses are probably steelhead? I dint know because I have not been their. Them platforms are their for the Springer's. And any carcasses that are their are probably left form the state steelhead fisherman. And I applaud them for it because that is where you should put them in the water for all the other species to feed from.

[Wenatcheejay]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

[remington300mag]

Just remember when fishing down there guys.....If you hook and land a "Native" you must release it without removing completely from the water.   

[PlateauNDN]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

[runamuk]

Its sad to me I had never fished Drano and took my son who loves to fish as well and this has been my introduction to this area...I actually in the past I had taken up the side of the natives and normally I tend to rally for the underdog seeing as I am one, but the lack of regard for others is disheartening to me....



as for the suing yes my first thought is just how much taxpayer money will be wasted on another stupid lawsuit since in todays America this is how you solve problems you sue...

[Huntbear]

Have a funny feeling there will be some bonfires. Right before springer season next spring.

[FC]

Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish.

Claiming that it's all done by the tribes is a joke, right after that you are talking about grants, money from BS lawsuits etc being used to fund it all, so while you appear unable to come right out and say it you can apparently see the reality of just who is paying for it.


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[Wenatcheejay]

Have a funny feeling there will be some bonfires. Right before springer season next spring.

Maybe. but if YAKNDN is right and the owners are willing to share the platformed area so long as it does not interfere with their harvest and the Tribesmen are treated with respect, why? At some point people with clear heads have to look for middle ground.

If they are built to be a big middle finger by the Tribe, built to willfully keep shorefishermen from recreating, well, then that would be a different matter.

[carpsniperg2]

There is some good conversation in here, so keep it on track guys

[Yak-NDN]

Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish.

Claiming that it's all done by the tribes is a joke, right after that you are talking about grants, money from BS lawsuits etc being used to fund it all, so while you appear unable to come right out and say it you can apparently see the reality of just who is paying for it.


                                                                                    TAXPAYERS

Yes you are welcome for what I pay in on my tax's and I thank you for what you pay in. But if you like I'm sure Obama could find a better way to spend some of that money.  I bet you would still be complaining.

[remington300mag]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

PLATEAU.......This is a BS statement! Either you have never actually fished the Icicle, know anything about it, or just misinformed.....where the platforms are set up on the Icicle is directly outside the Leavenworth National Fish Hatchery......Americans can only fish 400' below the hatchery! That goes for every species and any time of the year. At NO time does a tribal member allow Americans on there platforms to fish.....because there are no seasons there for us.....so the gamies and tribal cops would eat us alive for it....

[Wenatcheejay]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

PLATEAU.......This is a BS statement! Either you have never actually fished the Icicle, know anything about it, or just misinformed.....where the platforms are set up on the Icicle is directly outside the Leavenworth National Fish Hatchery......Americans can only fish 400' below the hatchery! That goes for every species and any time of the year. At NO time does a tribal member allow Americans on there platforms to fish.....because there are no seasons there for us.....so the gamies and tribal cops would eat us alive for it....

But on Drano these platforms were built with no forwarding in public fishing area. I was there when they were going up, (driving by not fishing.) WDFW was there on the phone. The guys (Plat&YAKNDN) have been pretty respectful and both have stated that they don't think that the Platforms should be there either in the manner they are being put up. They have been respectful and I hope we will be when talking to them. IF they become shared permanent platforms I could see this being a win win for all. If this becomes flexing power for sovereignty I see it being drama and they will probably come down. So, in the mean time my local friends, if they knew that they are not loosing their fishing spots, I see it being easier to accept. But that area is hot and contested. I have heard natives be as hateful speaking about sportsmen as sportsmen are towards them. I just hope that the desire is a middle ground. Otherwise, this can only end badly.

[FC]

Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish.

Claiming that it's all done by the tribes is a joke, right after that you are talking about grants, money from BS lawsuits etc being used to fund it all, so while you appear unable to come right out and say it you can apparently see the reality of just who is paying for it.


                                                                                    TAXPAYERS

Yes you are welcome for what I pay in on my tax's and I thank you for what you pay in. But if you like I'm sure Obama could find a better way to spend some of that money.  I bet you would still be complaining.

My point was that I dislike seeing misleading statements regarding whom is actually paying for our fisheries, I have seen people try and wave that flag before and amazingly enough it always turns out to be the taxpayers who are actually paying for the hatcheries. You and I both know that if the hatcheries were run exclusively by a tribe(s) there would be no marking of fish.