Draft Regs for Multi Season Permits

[Hunterman]

If I was (and maybe I will) to apply and draw a multi-season permit lets say for deer, hell lets throw in the elk too.. For $181.50 each,, I damn will shoot multiple deer and elk if given a chance..

I still for the life of me cannot understand why people think this multi-season permit is such a great idea..For the amount of money this state NOW charges for something that was taken away from us for a hell of a lot less..The most that I ever paid for a  PERMITT (over the counter) so that I could hunt with a muzzle loader, or a bow, or both along with a rifle was $5.00.. That was back before this great state MADE us choose what weapon we wanted to hunt with, and were did you want to hunt elk..Hey they gave us 5 thats right 5 choices for elk  that was damn nice of them..Take my state wide elk tag away from me, and have me pick were I wanted to hunt elk      And then cut the time to hunt them,and then let me have a chance to hunt them in t-shirts...Damn nice of them.. Oh yeah it was all in the name of reducing the pressure on our elk herds...

Lets add all this GREAT stuff up and see just what the cost is for this GREAT opportunity:

Deer and Elk = 82.50 (plus agents fees 2.00)

multi-season application fee : 6.60 each =13.20 (plus agents fees 2.00 each)

Drawing multi season permits: 181.50 each (congrats you drew both  ) 363.00

for a grand total of=  $462.70 ( subtract 181.50 if you only drew one for $ 281.20)

Damn what a deal for just ONE deer, or elk..What a deal..  :bs

Hunterman(Tony)

[Kain]

If you were arguing for the other side you could counter that by saying that if someone was going to pay that much for the multi season tag, then they probably are more likely to be a dedicated hunter and not one of those guys that buys their lisence and a box of shells the day before season. Therefore they were probably more likely to be successful, whether they had the MS tag or not. Which could explain the higher success rate....

So only dedicated hunters apply for multi season tags?    I guess we will never know whether the guys that draw and buy multi season tags are a different caliber of hunter than the general public.  Maybe they have better than average harvest rates and kill a deer every other year without the multi tag.  The argument could be the other way and that these guys want to increase their odds with a multiseason permit because they are less than average.    

The only thing we know for certain is that harvest success rate goes up for those that buy these tags.  Which is the whole point of the tags after all.

[grundy53]

If you were arguing for the other side you could counter that by saying that if someone was going to pay that much for the multi season tag, then they probably are more likely to be a dedicated hunter and not one of those guys that buys their lisence and a box of shells the day before season. Therefore they were probably more likely to be successful, whether they had the MS tag or not. Which could explain the higher success rate....

So only dedicated hunters apply for multi season tags?    I guess we will never know whether the guys that draw and buy multi season tags are a different caliber of hunter than the general public.  Maybe they have better than average harvest rates and kill a deer every other year without the multi tag.  The argument could be the other way and that these guys want to increase their odds with a multiseason permit because they are less than average.    

The only thing we know for certain is that harvest success rate goes up for those that buy these tags.  Which is the whole point of the tags after all.

I'm not talking about the people that apply. I'm talking about the people that actually pay the $180.00 dollars for the tag (not to mention buy/ borrow a rifle, bow and/or muzzleloader. Plus ammo/arrows). For most people that's quite a bit of money to spend on one in state tag. Stands to reason that if you were not very dedicated then you wuldn't spend that much money when you could just by a normal tag for a fraction of the price. This is just another one of those devisive issues. If you have your mind set one way then your probably not going to be swayed the other way. Personally I could care less if they have a MS tag or not. I'm just making an argument to refute WDFW's irrifutable statistics...

[bobcat]

For deer I can see both arguments. Personally, if I draw the multi-season deer tag, I will hold out for a bigger buck than I normally would, since I have more time to hunt and the fact that I spent an extra $180 on the tag. I wouldn't want to just shoot a little 2 point buck. At least not until either the late muzzleloader or late archery seasons, then I may think about it. I could easily see myself passing up several bucks and not filling the tag at all.

Now with elk, I think harvest rates would definitely be higher for those with the multi-season tag, because most people will kill the first legal elk they see. At least that's how I am. I would want the multi-season elk tag for a better chance of bringing home an elk- any elk. I would want the multi-season deer just for the chance to hunt more often, and with friends and/or family who I otherwise may not have had a chance to hunt with.

Either way I still believe multi-season tags for both deer and elk are bound to increase the harvest of animals. Whether that's a significant amount or not, who knows. I do feel that 8500 deer tags is way too many. However in a selfish way I like knowing that my odds of drawing just went up.

[Kain]

I'm not talking about the people that apply. I'm talking about the people that actually pay the $180.00 dollars for the tag (not to mention buy/ borrow a rifle, bow and/or muzzleloader. Plus ammo/arrows). For most people that's quite a bit of money to spend on one in state tag. Stands to reason that if you were not very dedicated then you wuldn't spend that much money when you could just by a normal tag for a fraction of the price. This is just another one of those devisive issues. If you have your mind set one way then your probably not going to be swayed the other way. Personally I could care less if they have a MS tag or not. I'm just making an argument to refute WDFW's irrifutable statistics...

I hear ya.  Of course the guy that pays the extra cash is gonna put in a lot of effort so it doesnt go to waste.   Hell I feel that way about my general season tag.  It is probably an average cross section of the general hunters that buys the tags though.  The percentage of does to bucks taken is almost exactly the same as the general season.   

They may pass up some animals waiting for a bigger one.  Maybe they will be less likely to eat the tag than a general season hunter.  We just dont know.

[bobcat]

I see the only reason given for the increase in tags is  that it "expands opportunity for deer and elk hunters". Boy you'd think they'd come up with something a little more convincing than that.   

[Kain]

I see the only reason given for the increase in tags is  that it "expands opportunity for deer and elk hunters". Boy you'd think they'd come up with something a little more convincing than that.   

  Yes its all for the hunters.

[Kain]

I dont have a problem with guys wanting to, and be able to afford, to increase their odds.  That will usually balance out because most guys cant afford a guided hunt every year. 

Seasons have been shortened over the years because of too much pressure on the animals.  I would like to see them managing the game to keep or increase the general seasons.  Instead they are only looking for ways to make more money and I dont trust that the game can handle more pressure.  If it can then why not restore some of the season we have lost?  The answer is because they wont make any additional money from that.  What are you going to get for that extra money?  Nothing it is only to maintain the departement we already have.

Once they take something it is gone and you will have to pay to get it back.  Thats great if you can afford it.  Kind of sucks if you cant or wont.

[nwhunter]

I actually had just sent a letter to WDFW earlier this week in regards to the multiseason permits. I proposed to them to offer at least the deer permits at a discount for youths. It would be nice if our kids could experience hunting with different weapon types without us having to drop $180 plus . Most kids are in school during hunting season so their time in the field is limited so it would give them more opportunity to hunt and also get to try out different types of hunting.If they can give out this amount of deer permits I can't see why they couldnt cut the costs for our kids. I will post if I get a reply.nwhunter

[bobcat]

Does anyone know how many multi-season deer tags were sold last year? I know they drew 4,000 but how many of those drawn actually purchased the tag?

[carpsniperg2]

I think we were looking for that number and could never figure it out.

[carpsniperg2]

Yeah I guess that is right for 2010 by kains post.

[Kain]

You can look up other years here.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/

[sakoshooter]

If they can allow that many opportunities for deer and elk, why don't they simply increase the tags? Wait, I know why, getting money from hunters in more important than providing opportunity.

[bullcanyon]

Facts are facts. More deer will die with more permits sold. No way around it. Every day in the field will increase your odds of finding what ever it is you are willing to wrap your tag around. Problem is we don't have enough things to wrap your tag around. End of story!!! We need less hunting pressure until we can get our numbers in check. When we are seeing a smaller run of salmon. We don't add more fisherman to the mix. We cut seasons and limits. Heck even have no season on some runs. I can't see the logic of wanting to wipe em out.