Protest WDFW Wolf Plan in Olympia

[wraithen]

How about this Mission:

Protest Mission (only a submission)

To show the people of WA that the WDFW has adopted an irresponsible wolf recovery plan, not based on science and the experience of other states who have previously adopted wolf recovery plans, and to tell our government the WDFW has become disconnected from the sportsmen and women of WA. That in favor of animal rights extremists, the WDFW has forgotten the people who have paid the WDFW's bills through their license purchases, and have participated in the animal recovery and conservation efforts that have made our wildlife flourish, the hunters and fishers of WA.

I dig this one a lot more. More venom!

[pianoman9701]

Maybe someone else has some insight on specifically who the enemy is?

I think some people are unhappy with the commission because they approved the 4pt rule in two whitetail units, or because they did or didn't do something else. That was an issue that many of us, myself included, had supported.

My advice is this effort needs to be totally focussed on the wolf issue, something we all agree on. If we allow other issues to become involved it will cause us to argue amoungst ourselves and we'll be fewer in numbers and be far less effective.

Good question. I'd say that we can do most of the work by teleconference or Skype without travel. I propose that we get a volunteer from each of the WDFW Regions to act as regional coordinators - 6 total. Each of them would enlist help from their area. Let's start with that.

Please let me know by posting if you'll be the coordinator for your WDFW region 1-6.

WFW already has a members-only forum and there are members-only boards on this forum where you can organize.   

My problem with the commission is that they approved the 4 pnt APR without any science, while ignoring the WDFW biologists.  If they can ignore the bios in that case why can’t they choose to ignore the WDFW in the wolf case?

So far, this protest is about the Wolf program as a catalyst, and the other issues which disconnect the WDFW from us as hunters/fishers. Although the 4 pnt rule would fall in there, I think our message here needs to be clearly about the wolves and the disconnect. When we start bringing in a slough of other specific issues, this will get muddled and we'll have confusion and in-fighting. We will address the lack of science-related decisions that the WDFW makes, mainly focusing on wolf recovery.

[Woodchuck]

How about this Mission:

Protest Mission (only a submission)

To show the people of WA that the WDFW has adopted an irresponsible wolf recovery plan, not based on science and the experience of other states who have previously adopted wolf recovery plans, and to tell our government the WDFW has become disconnected from the sportsmen and women of WA. That in favor of animal rights extremists, the WDFW has forgotten the people who have paid the WDFW's bills through their license purchases, and have participated in the animal recovery and conservation efforts that have made our wildlife flourish, the hunters and fishers of WA.

I dig this one a lot more. More venom!

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[bearpaw]

buckfvr, I agree.... many don't realize all the implications

The organization of this protest is to include anyone who wants to participate. If we use the WFW to organize, would everyone need to become a member of the WFW? Some may not want to join and yet would still want to participate in the protest.

pianoman9701 you may be right, it might be better to not make it a wfw cause, in case some people don't want to join wfw...

curly, there is biology both ways on the 4pt rule, and some of us were in favor of the 4pt rule. I commend the commission for having the fortitude to try the rule in two units. This is why this issue needs to be focussed on wolves so we don't turn this into a 4pt argument and fall apart. 

[pianoman9701]

On the other hand Bearpaw, if everyone on this thread signed up for WFW, then most of the organizing would be complete. How many of you guys would object to signing up for free with Washington for Wildlife, so we could use the existing organization to expedite this process? I think it's a really good idea. Thoughts? Objections? Bearpaw, is the "join" page fixed today?

[CedarPants]

To show the people of WA that WDFW irresponsibly ignored the historical and factual scientific data in our neighboring states that was made readily available to them when putting together Washington's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, as well as remining WDFW that their performance agreement states the following:  It is unacceptable to base priority management decision on outdated, unverifiable information or personal opinion.

My edit of the first part of the statement. I'm still mulling over the second part

[wraithen]

I already "joined." Still waiting to get approved though. It's been almost a week since I got an email telling me to wait for approval. 

[bearpaw]

wraithen we are a voluntary effort and killbilly may be busy right now. I will ask him to check on your membership.

Piano, I just checked the link and it appears to be working: http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi

(the wolf issue was one of the reasons we started WFW)

[KillBilly]

Using WFW to Organize a Peaceful protest....
Q:Would everyone have to be members to participate?
A:Currently Yes
Q: Is there a workaround
A: Yes - we could do it in the general public area anybody could see what we are doing.
Q: If you are serious, why not join?
A: WFW is a Wa.State recognized Organization and large numbers would mean more than an un organized group. And other Organized groups are more likely to join in and stand with us.

All of Hunt-Wa is encouraged to participate anyway. If they don't have anything to offer during the planning and Organization stage, then joining is a moot point. If they are wanting to be in on it all, then Joining is the way to do it. After it is over, I will take you off the roles if you want. It is free to join as long as you have had your distemper shots.

Let's hear your feedback and thoughts so far.

[KillBilly]

wraithen we are a voluntary effort and killbilly may be busy right now. I will ask him to check on your membership.

Piano, I just checked the link and it appears to be working: http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi

(the wolf issue was one of the reasons we started WFW)

What am I checking for?

[Curly]

I'm still trying to decide who to blame the most for the wolf plan.   I may change my mind, but here is my list right now in order of who I blame the most:

#1.  The pro-wolf loving, anti-hunting, PETA supporting, liberal minded wackos.

#2.  The Governor

#3.  WDFW

#4.  The wildlife Commission


#1. - we have no control over.  There is no reasoning with them, but if it weren't for them we wouldn't be in this mess.

#2. - The governor is out the door and she is not going to care about what we think, but I'm pissed at her because she is ultimately in charge of WDFW and the Commission.

#3. - WDFW we still have a little control over since we are financing them by way of license fees.  They are constantly screwing us and lying to us..........they piss me off.  There are a few good people left there, but mostly it seems they have been infiltrated with anti-hunters.

#4. - I thought the commission was supposed to be our ally.  Seems they caved to all the support of the WDFW plan by the pro-wolf folks all across the country.

[gaddy]

#2 may be leaving but you could still be sending a message to the next #2

[bearpaw]

I'm still trying to decide who to blame the most for the wolf plan.   I may change my mind, but here is my list right now in order of who I blame the most:

#1.  The pro-wolf loving, anti-hunting, PETA supporting, liberal minded wackos.

#2.  The Governor

#3.  WDFW

#4.  The wildlife Commission


#1. - we have no control over.  There is no reasoning with them, but if it weren't for them we wouldn't be in this mess.

#2. - The governor is out the door and she is not going to care about what we think, but I'm pissed at her because she is ultimately in charge of WDFW and the Commission.

#3. - WDFW we still have a little control over since we are financing them by way of license fees.  They are constantly screwing us and lying to us..........they piss me off.  There are a few good people left there, but mostly it seems they have been infiltrated with anti-hunters.

#4. - I thought the commission was supposed to be our ally.  Seems they caved to all the support of the WDFW plan by the pro-wolf folks all across the country.

Curly, I agree with you on this, I'm not sure of the best path.... 

[buckfvr]

It is a matter of what best serves the political end game. 

[Huntbear]

On the other hand Bearpaw, if everyone on this thread signed up for WFW, then most of the organizing would be complete. How many of you guys would object to signing up for free with Washington for Wildlife, so we could use the existing organization to expedite this process? I think it's a really good idea. Thoughts? Objections? Bearpaw, is the "join" page fixed today?

Been a member for a long time.. I think by including WFW we will become more viable? believable?  not sure the right word here..