Point system??

[Curly]

they can shove the point system up their ....well you know 

 

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

There is always going to be unhappy people no matter what system they use. 
Washington State has the highest number of Elk hunters in relation to Elk numbers, yet there are places that still have winter-kill and feeding programs, along with WDFW herd reduction 
I have been applying for permits since before the point system, still no OIL, and with the price for one now, not sure if I will ever, as I most likely will not be able to afford $330 + fuel to scout, time off work, and all other related expenses, with the price increase the odds of drawing might go up.
But I have been drawn for Elk, (Observatory ), 3 times, once the first year and the other 2 times with 6 points.
Been drawn for Deer, 4 times.
It might seem unfair, but it is a lottery

[lokidog]

It is definitely better than the max points system IMO.

I like the fact that even a new, first time hunter has a chance at drawing a tag.  The worst part of it here is that the way WDFW runs things, there is less opportunity even though many of us have a lot of points built up.  However, I have to admit I am one of those butt heads that got drawn for a great tag once with only one point... Margaret archery 2001.

[Curly]

I'd prefer no point system at all, but if we must have points, then this system is the most fair.

[Branden]

Washington has so many hunters and very few quality hunts, its going to take a lifetime to draw unless you are lucky. If most hunters weren't so selfish, there are things that could be changed so you could get drawn for a quality tag. Also, the indian issue is getting old. If you want to do something about it, make the whole state draw for elk. Then the indians don't have free rein. But most guys still want to go out and blast a spike every year. Nothing wrong with that, but don't b**** and moan when nothing gets done about over harvest, when hunters themselves can stop it.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

LOCK THE GATES !! PUT IN MORE GATES !!
Give handicapped and over 65 access to getting behind some gates, but limit number partners (eliminate someone taking advantage by getting "grampa" to hunt and bringing the whole family)

[YellowDog]

Personally I don't bother putting in for drawings, though I may start putting in for OIL tags eventually. I view them kinda like the lottery. Someone who buys $50 worth of random pick lotto numbers has marginally better odds of buying a winning ticket compared to someone who only buys 2, but the overall odds of winning are still ridiculously low for both.

If you have not already built a bunch of points in the OIL drawings it might not be worth it to start doing so now.  By the numbers, you actually have better odds putting in for the raffle tags than in the permit system.  However, you still will have a chance if you do put in with only 1 point in the OIL permit drawings so I guess any chance is better than none.

[Atroxus]

Personally I don't bother putting in for drawings, though I may start putting in for OIL tags eventually. I view them kinda like the lottery. Someone who buys $50 worth of random pick lotto numbers has marginally better odds of buying a winning ticket compared to someone who only buys 2, but the overall odds of winning are still ridiculously low for both.

If you have not already built a bunch of points in the OIL drawings it might not be worth it to start doing so now.  By the numbers, you actually have better odds putting in for the raffle tags than in the permit system.  However, you still will have a chance if you do put in with only 1 point in the OIL permit drawings so I guess any chance is better than none.

Yeah you are probably right about my chances for an OIL drawing....but then again, like the lottery you can't win if you don't play. 

[doyourtime89]

Yeah I am not sure what to think about this system.  I have been putting in for years on elk and moose with nothing, but yet my son drew a elk his second year hunting.  I know its just like a lottery, everyone has some what of a chance.  I just keep putting in, to late to stop now with all the points I have.  I just hope I hit something soon.  I really hope my son gets he youth moose next year.  It will be his last year as a youth hunter.

[Bob33]

Personally I don't bother putting in for drawings, though I may start putting in for OIL tags eventually. I view them kinda like the lottery. Someone who buys $50 worth of random pick lotto numbers has marginally better odds of buying a winning ticket compared to someone who only buys 2, but the overall odds of winning are still ridiculously low for both.

If you have not already built a bunch of points in the OIL drawings it might not be worth it to start doing so now.  By the numbers, you actually have better odds putting in for the raffle tags than in the permit system.  However, you still will have a chance if you do put in with only 1 point in the OIL permit drawings so I guess any chance is better than none.

Yeah you are probably right about my chances for an OIL drawing....but then again, like the lottery you can't win if you don't play. 

I believe if you run the numbers, money is better spent now buying raffle or lotto tickets for most of the highest quality permits in WA.  If you win the mega-millions, you could buy the governor's tag (or any number of outfitted hunts in other states) with the money.

Mtn Goat permit: something like 1 in 1000 odds!  The odds of winning a raffle or lotto can't be much worse, can they?

[Atroxus]

Personally I don't bother putting in for drawings, though I may start putting in for OIL tags eventually. I view them kinda like the lottery. Someone who buys $50 worth of random pick lotto numbers has marginally better odds of buying a winning ticket compared to someone who only buys 2, but the overall odds of winning are still ridiculously low for both.

If you have not already built a bunch of points in the OIL drawings it might not be worth it to start doing so now.  By the numbers, you actually have better odds putting in for the raffle tags than in the permit system.  However, you still will have a chance if you do put in with only 1 point in the OIL permit drawings so I guess any chance is better than none.

Yeah you are probably right about my chances for an OIL drawing....but then again, like the lottery you can't win if you don't play. 

I believe if you run the numbers, money is better spent now buying raffle or lotto tickets for most of the highest quality permits in WA.  If you win the mega-millions, you could buy the governor's tag (or any number of outfitted hunts in other states) with the money.

Mtn Goat permit: something like 1 in 1000 odds!  The odds of winning a raffle or lotto can't be much worse, can they?

Actually the lotto odds are FAR worse then most people realize. I saw something on the news awhile back and if I recall correctly your odds of getting struck by lightning are "better" than the odds of hitting all the numbers on a mega millions jackpot.

[Bob33]

"Actually the lotto odds are FAR worse then most people realize. I saw something on the news awhile back and if I recall correctly your odds of getting struck by lightning are "better" than the odds of hitting all the numbers on a mega millions jackpot."

Thanks.  You know that could also written "Actually the odds of getting a Washington quality permit are FAR worse then most people realize. I saw something on the news awhile back and if I recall correctly your odds of getting struck by lightning are "better" than the odds of drawing a Washington OIL permit or Blue Mountains elk permit."   

Oh well; we can always dream.

[big wood]

LUCK OF THE DRAW. i HAVE THE MAX POINTS IN WA, MT, WY AND HAVE APPLIED FOR 17 YEARS IN ID AND HAVENT GOT DRAWN EXCEPT FOR A DEER TAG IN WA 7 YEARS AGO. OH WELL i'LL KEEP TRYING!

[doyourtime89]

What is max points?  How many points do you max out at? 

[bobcat]

What is max points?  How many points do you max out at?

There is no such thing as "max points". I think what people mean when they use that term is that they have the most points possible because they have been applying since the beginning of the point system (first year was 1996).