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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2012, 07:37:02 PM »
I wonder what people would think if a box of nails was spread in the area where people are driving around the gates  :dunno:
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Not that I would condone such actions  ;)
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2012, 07:38:22 PM »
I wonder what people would think if a box of nails was spread in the area where people are driving around the gates  :dunno:
 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Not that I would condone such actions  ;)
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2012, 07:54:36 PM »
I personally observed how much time,money and effort Gasman put into his Observatory tag this past year.

SImply not right that unlicensed people can drive into closed areas and take multiple bulls and bucks each year. If this continues then WDFW has to nix spike and 3 pt regs  and return to branch antlered regs. As stated before all we are doing is creating a trophy class of easy pickings bulls and bucks for late season native hunters.( Mucks, Yaks, Nooks etc)

Not against native hunting but close and restrict harvest to foot traffic areas. :twocents:

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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2012, 07:57:57 PM »
I personally observed how much time,money and effort Gasman put into his Observatory tag this past year.

SImply not right that unlicensed people can drive into closed areas and take multiple bulls and bucks each year. If this continues then WDFW has to nix spike and 3 pt regs  and return to branch antlered regs. As stated before all we are doing is creating a trophy class of easy pickings bulls and bucks for late season native hunters.( Mucks, Yaks, Nooks etc)

Not against native hunting but close and restrict harvest to foot traffic areas. :twocents:

And I did not see crap in that area too, once the season started  :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2012, 09:24:33 PM »
I personally observed how much time,money and effort Gasman put into his Observatory tag this past year.

SImply not right that unlicensed people can drive into closed areas and take multiple bulls and bucks each year. If this continues then WDFW has to nix spike and 3 pt regs  and return to branch antlered regs. As stated before all we are doing is creating a trophy class of easy pickings bulls and bucks for late season native hunters.( Mucks, Yaks, Nooks etc)

Not against native hunting but close and restrict harvest to foot traffic areas. :twocents:

I agree.  While during the any bull and any buck days the elk herd wasn't impressive as far as big trophy bulls went. There were enough that the herd was able to sustain itself. At least it would bring more equality to elk hunting in central Washington.
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2012, 09:47:39 PM »
So how is it possible to get a ticket if its not private property beyond the gate. Ask john mcgowan at the oak creek feeding station witnessed him open the gates south of the feeding station for some yakama hunters after it was closed for hunting a few years back

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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #96 on: January 06, 2012, 08:16:02 AM »
Because it is DNR or WDFW lands.  They decide which roads they want open.  If a road is closed it means that it is illegal to drive on it.  Therefore you get a ticket.  Whether you are native or not.  You WILL get a ticket.  Roads are closed 1 of 3 ways.  The first way is a locked gate.  The second way is if its in a green dot road system then a road MUST have a green dot sign.  If it doesn't have the green dot sign then it is closed.  THe third way is they use a bull dozer to barrier it with dirt or trees or rocks.  Either way if you drive around these obstacles and law enforcement catches you back there they will write you a citation.  You can walk behind the gates, ride a horse, ride a bike etc.  But these closed roads are closed to ALL motor vehicle traffic. 

You are probably going to say well it is ceded land so why should I have to abide by these rules?  Well the reason is you have a right to hunt fish and gather etc on the ceded land.  But.... you have to still abide by all traffic laws and regulations.  DNR and/or WDFW owns the land so they decide which roads are open and which ones are not.  Does this help out. If not just explain what you are confused about and I will try my best to explain it. 
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2012, 08:23:35 AM »
just wasnt to sure thanks that helped out dont need any tickets

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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2012, 08:34:01 AM »
Hey no problem biggdogg I wouldn't want you to get a ticket either.  At least when you were driving around you didn't know.  There is ALOT of people who do know and drive around them anyways.  Part of the reason they closed the roads too is from guys going up in the spring when its muddy and tearing up meadows with their jeeps and ATV's.   :bash:  Its too bad that some people have to ruin things for the rest of us. 

I remember as a kid driving up with my family up in the Mud Lake area and the Wenas during the winter looking at elk and deer.  But now all that is closed off because of stupid people.   :bash:  But I understand the road closures because its to help protect the deer and elk so I support them.  Hope you can still get around and show your family some elk and deer. 
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #99 on: January 06, 2012, 04:37:20 PM »
Do they get behind the gates in the Taneum Too?? In PLUM CREEK?? :dunno:

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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2012, 06:29:07 PM »
 :peep: This thread is funny to read, all of you should sit back, take a moment or two to think about what this conversation is really about, and and realize that pointing fingers and blaming ANYONE is a ridiculous waste of time...
As a "white boy" i spent my summers in the small town of Suquamish, this is Reservation property.
My Grandmother was a cook at the local school, I played with all the kids in the area.
Bear in mind this was 30 years ago...
I was treated like someone who belonged, because my family lived there, I have cousins that still do, one owns a house on Agate Passage, another on Suquamish Way (305), 2 more in the "new" housing up off of Urban Ave NE, and other cousins spread out from Poulsbo to Bainbridge Island.
But enough of what my early childhood experience with Native Americans was, I have had several friends over the years , both Native and "non-Native", have never been prejudiced, but ANY TIME SOMEONE PLAYS THE "RACE CARD" it is a sign of ignorance, and racism, I do not care how you are arguing...
When the Suquamish go to the San Juan's to harvest Crabs, or the Muckleshoots go over the pass to harvest deer or Elk, or the Yakima travel to the Colockum, that is just (my opinion) ridiculous, because HISTORICALLY THEY ONLY TRAVELED THAT FAR BECAUSE THEY HAD HARVESTED EVERYTHING IN THEIR "LOCAL" AREA, AND HAD TO TRAVEL FURTHER BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY LEFT IN THEIR AREA !!!
Historically, the only respect that "Natives" had for anything that "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements" had to provide, was to take, and be grateful, as that is what kept them from starvation, CONSERVATION WAS NOT IN THEIR VOCABULARY !!!!
They took what they could, when they could, because they believed it would always be there, if it was not, they blamed  "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements" , and attempted to figure out where they had displeased "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements"
 The common "belief" that
Quote
Our ancestors hunted and fished and harvest what was needed to survive, nothing was wasted.
Is a crock of steaming  :liar: because the only reason nothing was wasted is because their very survival depended on it, historically, they hunted and fished, harvested, etc, until nothing was left, then moved !!!
THAT IS THE REASON THEY DID NOT WANT TO MOVE TO A RESERVATION THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONSERVE !!!, they believed in taking what was available, then going somewhere else, they fought amongst themselves and other tribes for better areas, and limited resources.
.....................................
Now, Today, there are casinos, firework stands, and other opportunities for Tribal members to make a living, even special government grants and loans that I (as a caucasian American) am not eligible for.
"Natives" get to fish and hunt in all "free and unclaimed" lands they can, and a FEW take advantage of it, but you will never convince me of the "need", as they already should have some in storage (if they did not sell it)
I know that Tribal government has done several projects to benefit fish/wildlife (Columbia Sturgeon, Antelope re-introduction, fish counting at the locks, to name a few) but there will always be a few people of all races that feel entitled to take, without giving back, and it is these that we all need to stop, so TAKE PICTURES, REPORT OFFENDERS, and hope that eventually we will all be treated as American citizens, equal in the eyes of the law, no matter what our what our ethnic background.
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2012, 06:51:49 PM »
Quote
The tribes of the Pacific Northwest were only lightly visited by whites before the 1830s. When, for
commercial and scientific reasons, whites began assessing wildlife numbers in the area around Mount
Rainier, they expressed surprise to find that these numbers were quite low. Moreover, they were inclined
to attribute those low numbers to overhunting by tribes in the area. These early assessments seem also to
imply that overhunting was a relatively recent phenomenon, though they did not elaborate on that
implication or on its possible causes. Notable examples of these early assessments follow.
Johnson, who traveled across Naches Pass in 1841 as part of the Wilkes Expedition, described the
Yakima groups as follows:
This tribe subsist chiefly upon salmonid and the camass-root: game is very scarce and the beaver have all
disappeared (Johnson 1850).
Brackenridge, who accompanied Johnson, also commented on the shortage of game, not imagining how
productive the Yakima Valley could become under cultivation:
Our route still lay close upon the Eyakema which flows through one of the most barren countrys it has
ever been my lot to witness (Brackenridge 1931).
In 1844, Father M. Demers, writing generally on what he called "the Territory of the Columbia," was
apparently discussing Washington and Vancouver when he said that "Wild animals have been more
abundant than they are at present; elk, deer, caribou have become rare..." (Demers 1956).
Captain George B. McClellan of the Pacific Railroad Survey traveled up the Yakima Valley to Naches
Pass in 1853. He and his group explored at least some of the tributaries of the Yakima and made a
reasonable effort to examine the region. He reported his disappointment:
The country through which we passed to the east of the Cascade range may be described as generally
barren and unfit for agriculture, and poor for grazing purposes.
And, later in the same report:
The Indians are harmless and peaceable; with the exceptions of the Tekamas they are very poor. Their
food consists of salmon, berries, and potatoes; the entire absence of game renders it difficult for them to
obtain good clothing; during the whole trip I did not see a single deer, elk, or bear - nothing larger than a
wolf. Wolves, badgers, squirrels, and a few gray marmots, were the only quadrupeds. The blue and ruffed
grouse, prairie chickens, and sage-fowl abounded (McClellan 1855).
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2012, 08:08:47 PM »
:peep: This thread is funny to read, all of you should sit back, take a moment or two to think about what this conversation is really about, and and realize that pointing fingers and blaming ANYONE is a ridiculous waste of time...
As a "white boy" i spent my summers in the small town of Suquamish, this is Reservation property.
My Grandmother was a cook at the local school, I played with all the kids in the area.
Bear in mind this was 30 years ago...
I was treated like someone who belonged, because my family lived there, I have cousins that still do, one owns a house on Agate Passage, another on Suquamish Way (305), 2 more in the "new" housing up off of Urban Ave NE, and other cousins spread out from Poulsbo to Bainbridge Island.
But enough of what my early childhood experience with Native Americans was, I have had several friends over the years , both Native and "non-Native", have never been prejudiced, but ANY TIME SOMEONE PLAYS THE "RACE CARD" it is a sign of ignorance, and racism, I do not care how you are arguing...
When the Suquamish go to the San Juan's to harvest Crabs, or the Muckleshoots go over the pass to harvest deer or Elk, or the Yakima travel to the Colockum, that is just (my opinion) ridiculous, because HISTORICALLY THEY ONLY TRAVELED THAT FAR BECAUSE THEY HAD HARVESTED EVERYTHING IN THEIR "LOCAL" AREA, AND HAD TO TRAVEL FURTHER BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY LEFT IN THEIR AREA !!!
Historically, the only respect that "Natives" had for anything that "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements" had to provide, was to take, and be grateful, as that is what kept them from starvation, CONSERVATION WAS NOT IN THEIR VOCABULARY !!!!
They took what they could, when they could, because they believed it would always be there, if it was not, they blamed  "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements" , and attempted to figure out where they had displeased "Mother Earth, the spirits and the elements"
 The common "belief" that
Quote
Our ancestors hunted and fished and harvest what was needed to survive, nothing was wasted.
Is a crock of steaming  :liar: because the only reason nothing was wasted is because their very survival depended on it, historically, they hunted and fished, harvested, etc, until nothing was left, then moved !!!
THAT IS THE REASON THEY DID NOT WANT TO MOVE TO A RESERVATION THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONSERVE !!!, they believed in taking what was available, then going somewhere else, they fought amongst themselves and other tribes for better areas, and limited resources.
.....................................
Now, Today, there are casinos, firework stands, and other opportunities for Tribal members to make a living, even special government grants and loans that I (as a caucasian American) am not eligible for.
"Natives" get to fish and hunt in all "free and unclaimed" lands they can, and a FEW take advantage of it, but you will never convince me of the "need", as they already should have some in storage (if they did not sell it)
I know that Tribal government has done several projects to benefit fish/wildlife (Columbia Sturgeon, Antelope re-introduction, fish counting at the locks, to name a few) but there will always be a few people of all races that feel entitled to take, without giving back, and it is these that we all need to stop, so TAKE PICTURES, REPORT OFFENDERS, and hope that eventually we will all be treated as American citizens, equal in the eyes of the law, no matter what our what our ethnic background.
............
Mine used to pull their ships up on the beach, kill, rape, pillage, and rob. But if I want to practice my "heritage", I go to jail....
Great post, I couldn't agree more. Awesome you hit the nail on the head with that one :tup:

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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2012, 08:10:17 PM »
That was an interesting piece of history. Where did you find it.
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Re: observatory bulls numbers down next year
« Reply #104 on: January 06, 2012, 09:22:18 PM »
i don't know about the hunting part but the fishing part is all bull*hit the non natives pretty much killed of all the salmon runs with dams and over fishing so dont tell me that that natives whiped out the fish runs and if i remember right were the indians the ones that wiped the elk herds and or did non natives. That post was all bull*hit and if u agree with your there is something wrong with u. an interesting piece of history if that's all clockum has to say about it something tells me even he can call bull*hit on that 

 


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