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I would like to see the state parks management sold off to private citizens willing to take them on with the stipulation that they have to functionally remain as intended, but let the new owners improve and modernize them as necessary to attract users. Take the government out of it and let the USERS of the resource foot the bills. i know quality and service would improve greatly if that happened.
Quote from: washelkhunter on March 15, 2012, 05:06:36 PMI would like to see the state parks management sold off to private citizens willing to take them on with the stipulation that they have to functionally remain as intended, but let the new owners improve and modernize them as necessary to attract users. Take the government out of it and let the USERS of the resource foot the bills. i know quality and service would improve greatly if that happened.Have you seen how well that has worked at USFS campgrounds? You go in to poop on the way to a hike, and a uber zealous senior citizen on a four wheeler starts screeching at you that you have to get a campsite if you want to use the can. I for one don't want to see our property sold off to corporations
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on March 15, 2012, 06:09:11 PMQuote from: washelkhunter on March 15, 2012, 05:06:36 PMI would like to see the state parks management sold off to private citizens willing to take them on with the stipulation that they have to functionally remain as intended, but let the new owners improve and modernize them as necessary to attract users. Take the government out of it and let the USERS of the resource foot the bills. i know quality and service would improve greatly if that happened.Have you seen how well that has worked at USFS campgrounds? You go in to poop on the way to a hike, and a uber zealous senior citizen on a four wheeler starts screeching at you that you have to get a campsite if you want to use the can. I for one don't want to see our property sold off to corporations The four wheeler reference alone `probably changed his mind.
Have talked some hunting friends who said they are agressively writing tickets to those who do not possess a dp...Had a sheriff tell a friend quite rudely that last year was the warning period and all you LAW breakers are going to get tickets now. Law breakers for being on unimproved state land! He rec'd his ticket while driving thru because he stopped to take a piss. I guess pissing in the woods is a recreational activity now! Know where you are Amigos.
If you are on ANY DNR lands you need the pass, doesn't matter if you are planning to recreate or just going for a drive....Bigtex,Do you mean driving on State Lands or even if you just walk on to State Land?? I thought the pass was just if you drive on state land.Please let me know as I access lots of state land by foot.
Thanks Bigtex... A couple more questions. If there is no public access on roads through state land but an adjoining landowner has an easement to drive through to get to his property through state land does he need a pass? Also there are quite a few state land parcels that big timber companies drive through to get to their property..do they need passes??
If youare driving an arterial road on state or dnr land to access NF or private property you dont need the DPass. There is going to be a big lawsuit about this nonsense. The state is i believe violating our civil rights. This whole business is a compelling arguement for not wanting the states to acheive control over federal lands.
Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources. Thereby, they are not recreation lands. So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands.
I have never said that DNR is not mandated or required to offer recreation. I have said that recreation is not their main goal as an agency.
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on April 30, 2012, 08:37:04 AMQuote from: bigtex on April 30, 2012, 08:10:19 AMDNR's mission is NOT to provide recreational opportunities like most people think, it is to bring in $ to the state through logging, geoduck commercial sales, agricultural leasing and so on. You are giving short shrift to their full mandate and missionQuoteAt the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) our mission is: In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.Source: http://www.dnr.wa.gov/aboutdnr/Pages/Home.aspxAnd once again, no mention of "recreation" in their mission.
Quote from: bigtex on April 30, 2012, 08:10:19 AMDNR's mission is NOT to provide recreational opportunities like most people think, it is to bring in $ to the state through logging, geoduck commercial sales, agricultural leasing and so on. You are giving short shrift to their full mandate and missionQuoteAt the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) our mission is: In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.Source: http://www.dnr.wa.gov/aboutdnr/Pages/Home.aspx
DNR's mission is NOT to provide recreational opportunities like most people think, it is to bring in $ to the state through logging, geoduck commercial sales, agricultural leasing and so on.
At the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) our mission is: In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on April 30, 2012, 09:43:29 AMInstead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources. Thereby, they are not recreation lands. So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands. You should be aware of a change of definition of recreation sites and lands in regards to DNR.Prior to a bill that was passed this March the following was a DNR rec site/land: "department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas"Due to the passing of ESSB 2373 a rec site/lands in regards to DNR now is: "state lands and state forest lands as those terms are defined in RCW 79.02.010, natural resources conservation areas as that term is defined in RCW 79.71.030, natural area preserves as that term is defined in RCW 79.70.020,"It was this change that essentially made the Discover Pass required for ALL DNR lands, whereas before it was simply those with recreational uses.
Quote from: bigtex on April 30, 2012, 09:58:32 AMQuote from: Knocker of rocks on April 30, 2012, 09:43:29 AMInstead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources. Thereby, they are not recreation lands. So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands. You should be aware of a change of definition of recreation sites and lands in regards to DNR.Prior to a bill that was passed this March the following was a DNR rec site/land: "department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas"Due to the passing of ESSB 2373 a rec site/lands in regards to DNR now is: "state lands and state forest lands as those terms are defined in RCW 79.02.010, natural resources conservation areas as that term is defined in RCW 79.71.030, natural area preserves as that term is defined in RCW 79.70.020,"It was this change that essentially made the Discover Pass required for ALL DNR lands, whereas before it was simply those with recreational uses.Thankyou for pointing this out. This is why our state GOV is so EVIEL! They make the sales pitch that this is just for Improved recreations sites like parks, boat launches, DNR camping places and such. THEN by Making a agency definition change, that requires no public input they change the "Deal". This is the reality of the State, give an inch and they will try and take a mile. They have increased the price by $3 and have included more lands trying to coerce more of us into paying. Well i won't be buying one and i encourage people to alter their actions so that you don't need to buy one.
Some people have said that DNR changed the definition, they did not, they simply modified the areas that fell under that definition.
Now here in 2012 the new bill was passed which simply made all DNR land requiring the pass.Both of these bills were open for public input. Did DNR take input as far as which actual areas were required under the "old" definition, no. But anybody could have commented when the actual definition itself was being drafted.
I think it is clear by some of the actions of word smithing by WaDNR, that we the people and probably many legislatures got the wool pulled down over our eyes on this
I find it interesting that legislators (from both parties) last year complained about where the pass would be requried for DNR lands. But yet the bill that was passed this year, simply widened that spectrum of areas it is required. I think most people last year were thinking the legislature would actually tighten/toughen where the pass is required. Definitely not what happened.
Big Tex, there are Shisters in both parties. I won't lay this all on the DNR, however they partially to blame.I'm guessing ESSB 2373 is an admin code for??? DNR??? Or is it a legislature bill? I was under the impression it was DNR from your post.
Forget the bear spray, use wasp killer. Concentrated delivery stream, 10X the product, and only $3.00 on sale.
Heading out tomarrow shed hunting and Im still not sure what areas will require the DP