Where does the discover pass monies go?

[buckfvr]

I think if we have to pay to use a piece of state ground that we have ALREADY been taxed to death on,  then they should provide sani cans and garbage cans in each and  EVERY FRIGGIN SPOT.......

[fireweed]

"Oh i don't disagree but if you look at the table, the ONLY fact you can say is that the people that bought the pass @ the state park were the ones willing to pay to use the parks. "

 This won't work either. I've bought two DP both at state parks, and use it for hunting DNR land?  Why?? Because if you buy at a state park there is no add on fee.  So I specifically bought one, turned around and left.  Need a survey of DP purchasers with questions like # times visited WDFW, DNR, Parks in last year using DP and why.

[Special T]

FW this is by design! It has already been tried to just get Parks users to pay and it failed badly. By not seperating it out they can bilk hunteres and anglers and say "LOOK! what a sucess, people are willing to support the parks..." Only it is the H&B crowd that is willing to pay to play... Typical gov operation. take from one group and pay for another's expenses. 

[washelkhunter]

Have you noticed that the DPass price went up $3?  BEWARE out there.  Have talked some hunting friends who said they are agressively writing tickets to those who do not possess a dp. Make sure you know where you are and where you are going. If you are off on a side road w/o it you are going to be cited. The gestapo have arrived. Had a sheriff tell a friend quite rudely that last year was the warning period and all you LAW breakers are going to get tickets now. Law breakers for being on unimproved state land!  He rec'd his ticket while driving thru because he stopped to take a piss. I guess pissing in the woods is a recreational activity now! Know where you are Amigos.

[bigtex]

Have talked some hunting friends who said they are agressively writing tickets to those who do not possess a dp...Had a sheriff tell a friend quite rudely that last year was the warning period and all you LAW breakers are going to get tickets now. Law breakers for being on unimproved state land!  He rec'd his ticket while driving thru because he stopped to take a piss. I guess pissing in the woods is a recreational activity now! Know where you are Amigos.

State Parks has essentially adopted a zero tolerance policy.
WDFW Officers are citing for Discover Pass violations just like they did with the "old" WDFW pass.
DNR has essentially two different enforcement sections; the actual DNR LE program and their recreation program which has limited citation authority. I know the DNR recreation program has been "educating" people on the pass. Don't know the DNR LE policy.

If you are on ANY DNR lands you need the pass, doesn't matter if you are planning to recreate or just going for a drive....

[buckcanyonlodge]

If you are on ANY DNR lands you need the pass, doesn't matter if you are planning to recreate or just going for a drive....


Bigtex,

Do you mean driving on State Lands or even if you just walk on to State Land?? I thought the pass was just if you drive on state land.
Please  let me know as I access lots of state land by foot.

[bigtex]

If you are on ANY DNR lands you need the pass, doesn't matter if you are planning to recreate or just going for a drive....


Bigtex,

Do you mean driving on State Lands or even if you just walk on to State Land?? I thought the pass was just if you drive on state land.
Please  let me know as I access lots of state land by foot.

Sorry yes I meant drive/park. But if you access state land by foot but park on state property you'll still need the pass.

[buckcanyonlodge]

Thanks Bigtex... A couple more questions. If there is no public access on roads through state land but an adjoining landowner has an easement to drive through to get to his property through state land does he need a pass? Also there are quite a few state land parcels that big timber companies drive through to get to their property..do they need passes??

[washelkhunter]

If youare driving an arterial road on state or dnr land to access NF or private property you dont need the DPass.  There is going to be a big lawsuit about this nonsense. The state is i believe violating our civil rights. This whole business is a compelling arguement for not wanting  the states to acheive control over federal lands.

[Knocker of rocks]

Thanks Bigtex... A couple more questions. If there is no public access on roads through state land but an adjoining landowner has an easement to drive through to get to his property through state land does he need a pass? Also there are quite a few state land parcels that big timber companies drive through to get to their property..do they need passes??

No

Section 9 3 (a):
The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day use permit is not required for persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned and managed by the agencies for purposes consistant with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts and easements.

The pass requirement is also limited to "recreation sites or lands" { Sec 3 (1)}

If youare driving an arterial road on state or dnr land to access NF or private property you dont need the DPass.  There is going to be a big lawsuit about this nonsense. The state is i believe violating our civil rights. This whole business is a compelling arguement for not wanting  the states to acheive control over federal lands.

Most arterial roads are actually WaDOT or county property.  But you are correct that there will probably be a lawsuit sooner than later.

I'll give you a for instance:  Our own BigTex maintains that WaDNR does not have a recreation mandate.  Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources.  Thereby, they are not recreation lands.  So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands. 

[bigtex]

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I'll give you a for instance:  Our own BigTex maintains that WaDNR does not have a recreation mandate.  Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources.  Thereby, they are not recreation lands.  So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands.
[/quote]

I have never said that DNR is not mandated or required to offer recreation. I have said that recreation is not their main goal as an agency. DNR's main purpose is to bring in money to the state by ways of logging, etc. Because DNR owns forests, beaches, etc recreational opportunities are offered. But for example DNR does not purchase lands just so they can open a new ORV park, or build a new trailhead. DNR purchases lands so they can make money off the land. If that land turns out to be great hunting lands, then great. But DNR will not buy land just because it is great hunting area

[bigtex]

Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources.  Thereby, they are not recreation lands.  So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands.

You should be aware of a change of definition of recreation sites and lands in regards to DNR.

Prior to a bill that was passed this March the following was a DNR rec site/land: "department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas"

Due to the passing of ESSB 2373 a rec site/lands in regards to DNR now is: "state lands and state forest lands as those terms are defined in RCW 79.02.010, natural resources conservation areas as that term is defined in RCW 79.71.030, natural area preserves as that term is defined in RCW 79.70.020,"

It was this change that essentially made the Discover Pass required for ALL DNR lands, whereas before it was simply those with recreational uses.

[Knocker of rocks]

Thanks for clarify that

[Knocker of rocks]

I have never said that DNR is not mandated or required to offer recreation. I have said that recreation is not their main goal as an agency.

Actually you did.  Their mission is their mandate.

Furthermore, the goals of their mission are not prioritized.  The mandate of the DNR is to ensure a high quality of life,  public safety, environmental protection and perpetual funding of schools and communities by bake sale

DNR's mission is NOT to provide recreational opportunities like most people think, it is to bring in $ to the state through logging, geoduck commercial sales, agricultural leasing and so on.

You are giving short shrift to their full mandate and mission

At the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) our mission is:

In partnership with citizens and governments, the Washington State DNR provides innovative leadership and expertise to ensure environmental protection, public safety, perpetual funding for schools and communities, and a rich quality of life.

Source: http://www.dnr.wa.gov/aboutdnr/Pages/Home.aspx

And once again, no mention of "recreation" in their mission.

[Special T]

Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources.  Thereby, they are not recreation lands.  So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands.

You should be aware of a change of definition of recreation sites and lands in regards to DNR.

Prior to a bill that was passed this March the following was a DNR rec site/land: "department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas"

Due to the passing of ESSB 2373 a rec site/lands in regards to DNR now is: "state lands and state forest lands as those terms are defined in RCW 79.02.010, natural resources conservation areas as that term is defined in RCW 79.71.030, natural area preserves as that term is defined in RCW 79.70.020,"

It was this change that essentially made the Discover Pass required for ALL DNR lands, whereas before it was simply those with recreational uses.

Thankyou for pointing this out. This is why our state GOV is so EVIEL! They make the sales pitch that this is just for Improved recreations sites like parks, boat launches, DNR camping places and such. THEN by Making a agency definition change, that requires no public input they change the "Deal".  This is the reality of the State, give an inch and they will try and take a mile. They have increased the price by $3 and have included more lands trying to coerce more of us into paying.  Well i won't be buying one and i encourage people to alter their actions so that you don't need to buy one.