Where does the discover pass monies go?

[Knocker of rocks]

 

[bigtex]

Instead, the lands are by and large for commercial extraction of resources.  Thereby, they are not recreation lands.  So a Discover Pass cannot be required for using DNR lands because the Discover Pass is limited to recreation sites and lands.

You should be aware of a change of definition of recreation sites and lands in regards to DNR.

Prior to a bill that was passed this March the following was a DNR rec site/land: "department of natural resources developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas"

Due to the passing of ESSB 2373 a rec site/lands in regards to DNR now is: "state lands and state forest lands as those terms are defined in RCW 79.02.010, natural resources conservation areas as that term is defined in RCW 79.71.030, natural area preserves as that term is defined in RCW 79.70.020,"

It was this change that essentially made the Discover Pass required for ALL DNR lands, whereas before it was simply those with recreational uses.

Thankyou for pointing this out. This is why our state GOV is so EVIEL! They make the sales pitch that this is just for Improved recreations sites like parks, boat launches, DNR camping places and such. THEN by Making a agency definition change, that requires no public input they change the "Deal".  This is the reality of the State, give an inch and they will try and take a mile. They have increased the price by $3 and have included more lands trying to coerce more of us into paying.  Well i won't be buying one and i encourage people to alter their actions so that you don't need to buy one. 

Ok here is how it went. When the original bill passed in 2011 DNR was told by the legislature to establish their recreation areas that are "developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads, and parking areas". DNR had free will to designate which areas are and are not under that definition. Some people have said that DNR changed the definition, they did not, they simply modified the areas that fell under that definition.

Now here in 2012 the new bill was passed which simply made all DNR land requiring the pass.

Both of these bills were open for public input. Did DNR take input as far as which actual areas were required under the "old" definition, no. But anybody could have commented when the actual definition itself was being drafted.

[Knocker of rocks]

Some people have said that DNR changed the definition, they did not, they simply modified the areas that fell under that definition.

That is truly an incredible word game

Now here in 2012 the new bill was passed which simply made all DNR land requiring the pass.

Both of these bills were open for public input. Did DNR take input as far as which actual areas were required under the "old" definition, no. But anybody could have commented when the actual definition itself was being drafted.

I think it is clear by some of the actions of word smithing by WaDNR, that we the people and probably many legislatures got the wool pulled down over our eyes on this

[bigtex]

I think it is clear by some of the actions of word smithing by WaDNR, that we the people and probably many legislatures got the wool pulled down over our eyes on this

Knocker,

I find it interesting that legislators (from both parties) last year complained about where the pass would be requried for DNR lands. But yet the bill that was passed this year, simply widened that spectrum of areas it is required. I think most people last year were thinking the legislature would actually tighten/toughen where the pass is required. Definitely not what happened.

This isn't directed at you, but  you did bring it up.

[Knocker of rocks]

I find it interesting that legislators (from both parties) last year complained about where the pass would be requried for DNR lands. But yet the bill that was passed this year, simply widened that spectrum of areas it is required. I think most people last year were thinking the legislature would actually tighten/toughen where the pass is required. Definitely not what happened.

You bring up some good points.

[Special T]

Big Tex, there are Shisters in both parties. I won't lay this all on the DNR, however they partially to blame.

I'm guessing ESSB 2373  is an admin code for??? DNR??? Or is it a legislature bill? I was under the impression it was DNR from your post.   

I understand  WHY they did it. It makes "enforcement" easier, but the added benifit is more hunters get goat roped into buying the pass even when not using "improved areas".   

The Whole DP does not really help the WDFW or DNR so if i worked for either group, I would not be too excited about enforcing the DP 

[bigtex]

Big Tex, there are Shisters in both parties. I won't lay this all on the DNR, however they partially to blame.

I'm guessing ESSB 2373  is an admin code for??? DNR??? Or is it a legislature bill? I was under the impression it was DNR from your post.   

ESSB 2373 is the legislature bill

[Special T]

I was confused sorry ESSB stands for "Engrossed Substitute Senate Bill" I could not find the definition before i asked.

[heavy hauler]

 

[jeepster]

 

i didnt buy one, and i never will. i avoid areas where it is required. i already pay enough in hunting and fishing lisences. there are plenty of places still out there where you can get away with out one, and generally, that also means less people

[danderson]

Heading out tomarrow shed hunting and Im still not sure what areas will require the DP

[bigtex]

Heading out tomarrow shed hunting and Im still not sure what areas will require the DP

Those areas owned by DNR and State Parks need the DP.

Areas owned and managed by WDFW either the WDFW Pass or DP

[danderson]

Thanks