Wolf Packs in Washington

[Gringo31]

Money made by selling tags is not as important to those who believe the ecology is damaged from over-grazing. Will the state lose money? Oh hell yes it will. But some things are more important than money. As soon as their recovery numbers are met, there will be tags for wolf hunting, and I can imagine that they won't be cheap.

It's comments like this that make me really wonder why guys like this don't understand why it gets emotional.

So let me clarify...

We want to keep spening money on something we currently can't affort, THEN make the dumbest rules ever made for cattlemen...SO that the state makes even less money, we lose our rights and way of life, until we get to the point that "somebody" says we have enough wolves and then we'll hopefully get all our money back from wolf tags (which the guys who lost their way of life are to pay for) and tourism?

    It is crap like this that I will never understand.  This is the same crap spewed out of the mouths of fools.  Your plan is to come across as somewhat level headed, then start putting up links to your wolf loving crap.  YOU somehow have now shown some credit because you say you can run a knife and gut a sheep.   ....I can tell you I'm impressed

My guess is your whole life is way out of whack.  Your "god" is to volunteer, to make things better, to probably provide little to the economy yet tell others who make a living and raise a family that WE are the ones that have it all wrong.  IF we are to just stop doing what we have been and follow this BS way that the whackos are pushing, then we can lose the state some money so then we can go broke so that you feel good about yourselves and we can then PAY to buy wolf tags and then WE are the ones paying to clean up the crap the state wanted.

I'd like to kick you in the crotch.

[muzbuster]

I see nothing wrong with anyone protecting their personnal property from someone or something trying to steal it. 

[MuleySniper]

Money made by selling tags is not as important to those who believe the ecology is damaged from over-grazing. Will the state lose money? Oh hell yes it will. But some things are more important than money. As soon as their recovery numbers are met, there will be tags for wolf hunting, and I can imagine that they won't be cheap.

Was this the main reason Idaho re introduced wolves then too? If so, it obviously didn't work like they imagined. Like I stated before, do some research on Idaho as of now and report back with all the benefits they are getting now.   Ive just yet seen any of the  positives from having wolves. There obviously were reasons they were removed in the beginning. So far the only benefit I see is Id love a nicely beetled and bleached skull to add to my collection, but that alone still isn't nearly enough reason for me to want to have them in our state.
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[ghosthunter]

Its all smoke and mirrors. They say we will have these wolves and when we get so many we will delist them and you can control them. List one state where the wolf lovers did not fight tooth and nail when it came to delisting.

[christopheri]

Unbelievable, What we have here is a Saint and did'nt even know it.
 
 You just decided one day to join and save us? I think your time may be better spent helping your Liberal friends
 see the light.

We dont have a saint we have a crusader!

[christopheri]

I would recommend that Mods leave this guy alone. I think he provides a teachable moment. How often do you get some one of opposite opinion to test your mental skills? I think Dallas is wrong, and puts up a better fight than most. We must realize that many people have opinions like his. Many of us think he is misguided, but many voters out there are ignorant as well. 

I agree. Let him stay. We might not all agree on his position with wolves. How ever  debate is a good thing.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Well Kain Already popped the cork. Look up Dallas Bollen on Face book. Guess I have to buy Him a Drink when i see him, since he guess who i did!  If you want to know how this guy thinks just go to the WDFW Facebook page and read his posts.

I kinda figured that's who we were dealing with...he has extensive wolf experience- except they're in cages and hand fed.

[grundy53]

Money made by selling tags is not as important to those who believe the ecology is damaged from over-grazing. Will the state lose money? Oh hell yes it will. But some things are more important than money. As soon as their recovery numbers are met, there will be tags for wolf hunting, and I can imagine that they won't be cheap.

It's comments like this that make me really wonder why guys like this don't understand why it gets emotional.

So let me clarify...

We want to keep spening money on something we currently can't affort, THEN make the dumbest rules ever made for cattlemen...SO that the state makes even less money, we lose our rights and way of life, until we get to the point that "somebody" says we have enough wolves and then we'll hopefully get all our money back from wolf tags (which the guys who lost their way of life are to pay for) and tourism?

    It is crap like this that I will never understand.  This is the same crap spewed out of the mouths of fools.  Your plan is to come across as somewhat level headed, then start putting up links to your wolf loving crap.  YOU somehow have now shown some credit because you say you can run a knife and gut a sheep.   ....I can tell you I'm impressed

My guess is your whole life is way out of whack.  Your "god" is to volunteer, to make things better, to probably provide little to the economy yet tell others who make a living and raise a family that WE are the ones that have it all wrong.  IF we are to just stop doing what we have been and follow this BS way that the whackos are pushing, then we can lose the state some money so then we can go broke so that you feel good about yourselves and we can then PAY to buy wolf tags and then WE are the ones paying to clean up the crap the state wanted.

I'd like to kick you in the crotch.

 

[grundy53]

Well Kain Already popped the cork. Look up Dallas Bollen on Face book. Guess I have to buy Him a Drink when i see him, since he guess who i did!  If you want to know how this guy thinks just go to the WDFW Facebook page and read his posts.

I kinda figured that's who we were dealing with...he has extensive wolf experience- except they're in cages and hand fed.

That was the first name that popped in my head when I started reading his posts...

[TommyH]

 

[Special T]

I would recommend that Mods leave this guy alone. I think he provides a teachable moment. How often do you get some one of opposite opinion to test your mental skills? I think Dallas is wrong, and puts up a better fight than most. We must realize that many people have opinions like his. Many of us think he is misguided, but many voters out there are ignorant as well. 

 

Maybe we can show him the error of his ways. 

DBHawthorne I'm normally up for a vigorous challenge but even I understand my limits. 

[humanure]

Uh... never said that I ever had wolf experience. Not Once.

Look, I see the results of Idaho, but I feel(meaning that it's just my personal opinion) ID is a bit of an isolated incident. Yellowstone was nearly grazed to death and was looking like a desert. There's a picture of YS in 1992 looking bare and devoid of green life. Then there's a picture of the same shot 10 years later and it shows a flourishing landscape. Mind you, thats just Yellowstone, results are not the same everywhere else.

I also never said Washington was over-grazed, but we see what was happening to YS and I can guess that thats an influence on bringing wolves and grizzlies back(or allowing them to return, in our states case. I've heard the rumors of secret reintroductions, and nothing has been substantiated). Weyerhaueser has mentioned losses in revunue due to too many ungulates feeding on their saplings.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Last year the ranchers in Oregon we talked to were against the wolves.  This year they are mad as hell and say it's getting near rebellion time!  I think they're madder at the environmentalist wackos and their government lackeys than the wolves.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Uh... never said that I ever had wolf experience. Not Once.

Look, I see the results of Idaho, but I feel(meaning that it's just my personal opinion) ID is a bit of an isolated incident. Yellowstone was nearly grazed to death and was looking like a desert. There's a picture of YS in 1992 looking bare and devoid of green life. Then there's a picture of the same shot 10 years later and it shows a flourishing landscape. Mind you, thats just Yellowstone, results are not the same everywhere else.

I also never said Washington was over-grazed, but we see what was happening to YS and I can guess that thats an influence on bringing wolves and grizzlies back(or allowing them to return, in our states case. I've heard the rumors of secret reintroductions, and nothing has been substantiated). Weyerhaueser has mentioned losses in revunue due to too many ungulates feeding on their saplings.

If the over-grazing was such a big problem then they could have setup some controlled hunts. I am sure there are many sportsman that would have enjoyed that opportunity. Instead they introduced a non-native species of wolf that is decimating the ecosystem of it and surrounding areas and causing many other issues.

In addition numerous studies has shown that Yellowstone was not overgrazed.

[boneaddict]

Wolves are pretty amazing animals, that can't be denied.  They are also very mystic.  They are also MUCH more destructive than Disney will ever portray.   Management will need to be done.  It will no doubt need to be more aggressive than one side will want and less aggressive than the otherside.   If we don't work together, we will see an absolute collapse of the environment.  I am hoping the one side realizes that.