6 point minimum

[buglebuster]

I love the idea of not taking anything but a 6x6.  BUT, there are areas that you never see a 5x5.  For example the toutle area is fullllllllllll of 5x5.  I am not sure if it is the genetics or what but finding a 6x6 is very difficult. 

So if you are going to do a state wide type of approach then I think a 5x5 min would be your best approach. 

Now many would like to a draw only bull permit for the entire state.  I like that as well. 

Now that work great for states that have control of the Native American hunting.  We do NOT. Arizona the native americans can only hunt on their res.  If they hunt out side of that res they are treated like the white man.  So if Washington did a 5X5 or better it would really only support the native americans that live in Washington.  They would have more opportunity to kill the bulls.  Just my opinion....

I have to interject on part of your comment here.  I believe it would level the playing field more than it currently is but then instead of just the Tribes harvesting the branched bulls you have everybody harvesting them.  Then it would push the Tribal hunters that specifically target the mature branched bulls to seek other areas due to the old areas being open to everybody.  Pretty soon the mature branched bulls (5 or 6 plus) would be a dime a dozen and then the overharvester can either revert to small bulls or cows for the "sustenance" they've been normally pursuing or openly comepete with everybody else.

As most know now we, (Yakamas) don't have restrictions except with female species so it doesn't matter if it was 5 or 6 plus branches for non-tribal members, it would just allow the non-tribal side more opportunities that they've been lacking.  Same amount of chances to get a mature branch bull rather the current system now.

very well said plateau and your 100% right

[colockumelk]

I'm gonna have to agree with Plateau it would level the playing field.

[Skyvalhunter]

The American Indians only take the big ones as it is during the winter, along side the roads when they are more suseptable anyhow. Maybe it should be spike and 2 points only for them.

[PlateauNDN]

The American Indians only take the big ones as it is during the winter, along side the roads when they are more suseptable anyhow. Maybe it should be spike and 2 points only for them.

Really?  Maybe some do but not all.  I don't hunt when snow hits so what does that make me?  I prefer walking in and packing out and that's what I'm teaching my children and most of the hunters I know do as well.  I don't road hunt because it's not a challenge and if that's how some do it then so be it.  I also don't hunt when winter hits because it's also not a challenge, why slaughter something that's just trying to survive?  I prefer the taste of cows but if a bull(spike or branch) presents itself before a cow then so be it.

[Huntbear]

One of the biggest elk herds in the states is in Colorado.  They have a 5 pt. minimum do they not?  They seem to keep a pretty healthy herd if I remember right.

[Huntbear]

Be happy we do not have slot limits like on sturgeon... 

3-5 pt. only...   

[Kowsrule30]

It wouldn't work well imo.... Then 75% (or more) west side hunters would go to the east... That's no joke either... And in areas in the east I've seen some 5 pointers that would easily outscore my 330 class 6 pointer... More mature.... It would turn into nothing but big 5's and the occasional small 6's...... Like how the MD have so many big 2's out there....     

[hunterofelk]

I think there are some units in BC where they have this restriction.  Maybe they have some data.  I like the idea of 5 point or better.

[bobcat]

The best idea of all would be permit only elk hunting, statewide, and with a permit any bull is legal.

[vandeman17]

The best idea of all would be permit only elk hunting, statewide, and with a permit any bull is legal.

As much as a hate to agree, I have to agree that permit only is probably the best route.

[Fullabull]

Colorado is four point min....

[slim9300]

I would like to see the Westside go to 5 point minimum. It would give the bulls at least one more year of breeding before they are killed. Doing this would also improve our abysmal bull to cow ratio. The sad part is that most rifle hunters I know (only 5) would be against the idea but EVERY archery hunter I know would think it's a great idea.

The problem I have with 6 point minimum is that it's very easy for a Rocky Mountain bull to be a mature 5x5 (6+ years old). I'm not sure if that would hold true for "Roosevelts," but since most of them are Rocky Mountain transplans anyways, I am sure it wouldn't be much different.


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[slim9300]

Colorado is four point min....

Brow tined bull.


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[Curly]

Now many would like to a draw only bull permit for the entire state.  I like that as well. 

Now that work great for states that have control of the Native American hunting.  We do NOT. Arizona the native americans can only hunt on their res.  If they hunt out side of that res they are treated like the white man.  So if Washington did a 5X5 or better it would really only support the native americans that live in Washington.  They would have more opportunity to kill the bulls.  Just my opinion....

 

[slim9300]

I would like to see the Westside go to 5 point minimum. It would give the bulls at least one more year of breeding before they are killed. Doing this would also improve our abysmal bull to cow ratio. The sad part is that most rifle hunters I know (only 5) would be against the idea but EVERY archery hunter I know would think it's a great idea.

The problem I have with 6 point minimum is that it's very easy for a Rocky Mountain bull to be a mature 5x5 (6+ years old). I'm not sure if that would hold true for "Roosevelts," but since most of them are Rocky Mountain transplans anyways, I am sure it wouldn't be much different.


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