Margaret and Nooksack

[bobcat]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

Same boat but worse as I have no points for Bull just the Quality hunts.     Friggin stupid money grabbing system!!  This is the only hunt i usually even put in for.  It was going to be points only this year anyways though.

Just think of all the people who have something like 10 or 12 points, or more, in the bull category, because they got their points placed there in 2009 when they made up all these new categories. They could have even since then drew Margaret with their quality application, and now they get a second chance to use all their points in the bull category, which up till now they had no use for.

I try to support the DFW in a lot of things but this is wrong. They can't just do nonsensical stuff like this and expect people to just be happy and keep paying the money. You can't change the rules of a game right in the middle of that game. Like I said, I'll be sending out some letters tomorrow.

[elkslayer069]

hell works for me i drew the margaret last year as a quality and ill probably have another good chance at it this year since i have 8 points in the bull  other wise the only thing i can think of was the success rate for the unit was so low this year

[bobcat]

the only thing i can think of was the success rate for the unit was so low this year

Was it really that bad?

Maybe this is the first step to changing it over to a general season hunt.

[lokidog]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

Same boat but worse as I have no points for Bull just the Quality hunts.     Friggin stupid money grabbing system!!  This is the only hunt i usually even put in for.  It was going to be points only this year anyways though.

Just think of all the people who have something like 10 or 12 points, or more, in the bull category, because they got their points placed there in 2009 when they made up all these new categories. They could have even since then drew Margaret with their quality application, and now they get a second chance to use all their points in the bull category, which up till now they had no use for.

I try to support the DFW in a lot of things but this is wrong. They can't just do nonsensical stuff like this and expect people to just be happy and keep paying the money. You can't change the rules of a game right in the middle of that game. Like I said, I'll be sending out some letters tomorrow.

Yes, it blows.  It wasn't fair to give points in all the categories to begin with, people should have had to pick one to transfer each species points to. 

[bloodhound]

all i know is im gonna have to think hard, i could go for the toutle this year, and put a ghost point in bull, since i have like 13-14 points in quality, and like 10-11 in bull. this way if i get drawn for toutle this year i can try to draw margret next year.

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Wow...they doubled the price on tags for all Buck hunts...was I the only Schmuck who didn't realize this?

[bobcat]

all i know is im gonna have to think hard, i could go for the toutle this year, and put a ghost point in bull, since i have like 13-14 points in quality, and like 10-11 in bull. this way if i get drawn for toutle this year i can try to draw margret next year.

Yeah but you don't know what they'll do next year. They might put Margaret back in Quality and put Toutle in Bull.   

[lokidog]

The sad part is, this just gives another example of poor management on WDFW's part, having to downgrade a "Quality" hunting area....   

[Elkhound]

hell works for me i drew the margaret last year as a quality and ill probably have another good chance at it this year since i have 8 points in the bull  other wise the only thing i can think of was the success rate for the unit was so low this year

I am in the same boat! I drew archery bull last year and luckily kept buying ghost points in the bull category.......now will have 9 points to use on the bull tag if I choose.  I agree that the bulls in the Margaret may not be "trophy" but any hunt that provides you a hunt with few people and lots of elk is good for me!!!

[Curly]

I heard Dave Ware drew Margaret last year and he wanted to hunt it again one of these years so he had it switched to "Bull" instead of Quality so that he would have a chance to draw it again.

[elkslayer069]

the only thing i can think of was the success rate for the unit was so low this year

Was it really that bad?

Maybe this is the first step to changing it over to a general season hunt.

Well we both killed our bulls but everyone we talked to was pissed off and disappointed and some people hadnt seen an elk lol i dont know how they hadnt i personally passed on about 30 bulls being picky i ended up shooting a spike on the last day and could not have been happier with my hunt

heres a picture of our bulls

[trophyhunt]

With 17 points I'm thinking of ghost pointing the quality this year and putting in for that margaret rut hunt!!! Mostly in case they change it back after this year.

[soccerguy]

trophyhunt...I too have 17 points and am considering the same for the "bull elk" draw; however I drew a quality permit last fall so the duplicate draw issue isn't a problem.  I'm just curious why the downgrade of the hunt.  If it was just for the average size of the animals and not numbers, then it's still a "quality" hunt to me.

[trophyhunt]

trophyhunt...I too have 17 points and am considering the same for the "bull elk" draw; however I drew a quality permit last fall so the duplicate draw issue isn't a problem.  I'm just curious why the downgrade of the hunt.  If it was just for the average size of the animals and not numbers, then it's still a "quality" hunt to me.

Glad to see someone with ton's of points draw, that gives me hope. How'd you do on the quality hunt???

[Chesapeake]

the only thing i can think of was the success rate for the unit was so low this year

Was it really that bad?

Maybe this is the first step to changing it over to a general season hunt.

Well we both killed our bulls but everyone we talked to was pissed off and disappointed and some people hadnt seen an elk lol i dont know how they hadnt i personally passed on about 30 bulls being picky i ended up shooting a spike on the last day and could not have been happier with my hunt

heres a picture of our bulls

Yeah, but your report to the wdfw says you shot a spike. Likely others got nothing. There isnt a check box to say you passed bulls on the report form. What's it say about a quality hunt when the report cards say guys hunted several days and had to settle on a spike or eat a tag.
But .....I thought they were supposed to phase out Toutle.
Who knows what wdfw is thinking? I feel like they have lost touch with us sportsmen. But then often hear of these types of things being driven by lobby groups that are supposed to represent the hunters.
Mostly I just hate how wdfw leads us on with all the questionnaires full of BS polls on nonsense like robo ducks, lighted knocks, ect... but then never involving us on the real issues. They con us into believing we're involved, all the while pulling the wool over our eyes. Just like mushroom, keep um in the dark and feed them dung.