Margaret and Nooksack

[furbearer365]

I noticed that the fish and game took the Margaret and Nooksack out of the Quality hunts and put it into the Bull hunts.  Why would they do that?   

[bobcat]

I don't know why Margaret is in there, except so that they can give people a reason to buy the bull category applications. I wasn't going to buy one, was only going to buy quality and antlerless. But now I'm not sure, might have to apply for Margaret too, along with everybody else.   

That's the problem, this makes it much harder to draw Margaret, and it will also make it harder to draw Toutle, because now more people will apply for it since Margaret is in a different category.

The Nooksack is only the spike only permits in the bull category, and that makes sense. But Margaret is "any bull" and obviously those should be in the quality category.

[shanevg]

No idea on Margaret.  Nooksack hunts are all spike only.  Any bull hunts are still quality.

[Bearhunter]

Yup all the Bull hunts are still under the Quality tags...  Margaret is not really a quality bull hunt so they pulled it from that category I would assume...

[kglacken]

Well hopefully it discourages people from putting in for the margaret tags. If you know where to go its a quality tag in my opinion.

[bobcat]

Yup all the Bull hunts are still under the Quality tags...  Margaret is not really a quality bull hunt so they pulled it from that category I would assume...

But Toutle is still in Quality.   

Margaret should still be considered a quality hunt, since there is no general season in that unit. The bulls may not be considered to be "quality" bulls by some people, but the experience of the hunt with a large number of elk and few other hunters is more important than the size of the bulls to some people.

[Rainstorm Hunter]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

[Bearhunter]

Your right Bobcat, I dont know why they wouldnt move the Toutle as well....  Also it is a quality hunt in the matter of pure quanity of animals, I just think the trophy potential is down compared to years ago.  Definetly be putting in for it thou!

[shanevg]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

I hope your right for your own sake, but if I recall correctly, you lost your "bull elk" points you had accumulated prior to the split of elk applications if you didn't apply the first year they were available.  That's why I applied for "bull elk" and "buck deer" even though there weren't any units I was interested in drawing.  I might be wrong, but I won't be surprised if you don't have any points for "bull elk".

[grundy53]

I think it was a miss print. If they moved it I think it would be red. Like every other hunt that gets added to a category for the first time.

[Rainstorm Hunter]

I noticed a couple errors in the regs including youth elk permits being called youth deer.

[bobcat]

I think it was a miss print. If they moved it I think it would be red. Like every other hunt that gets added to a category for the first time.

I really don't think it's a mistake. How would they mistakenly move just the Margarent hunts from the Quality category to the Bull category? They were listed in the Quality category in the proposals.

There were other changes that weren't in red, such as the change that allows archery equipment during muzzleloader deer and elk seasons.

I think they just don't want to make it too obvious. I'd bet it's just a way for them to sell more applications. I'm sure a lot of people normally apply for Margaret as a #1 choice with Toutle as a #2. Now those same people can apply for Toutle on their Quality Elk application and also apply for Margaret on their Bull Elk application. And the state sells a whole lot more applications that people never would have bought if the Margaret hunts weren't listed in that category.

Now I wouldn't be too surprised if they do come out and say that it was a mistake, if they get enough complaints. I know I will be writing a letter to them about it tomorrow.

[throttlejocky20]

Its all about the money these days. I strongly believe money is more important to our game department the animals or hunters. Criminals!

[Antlershed]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

I hope your right for your own sake, but if I recall correctly, you lost your "bull elk" points you had accumulated prior to the split of elk applications if you didn't apply the first year they were available.  That's why I applied for "bull elk" and "buck deer" even though there weren't any units I was interested in drawing.  I might be wrong, but I won't be surprised if you don't have any points for "bull elk".

That is not the case. I didn't apply for buck deer the first year after the split, but I applied for it last year and was only 1 point behind what I have in the quality category.

[lokidog]

The only bull hunts I put in for are margaret.  was gonna have 7 points this year.  back down to 5 for bull because I have not put in for it the past 2 year. 

Same boat but worse as I have no points for Bull just the Quality hunts.     Friggin stupid money grabbing system!!  This is the only hunt i usually even put in for.  It was going to be points only this year anyways though.