What caliber is flatter?

[iceman91m]

Im looking at getting either the 7MM Rem Mag or a 300 Win Mag, they both seem pretty identical on the the charts, can anyone give me some insight on which one is flatter shooting?

[huntnphool]

 I believe that at equal weights and equal velocities the 7mm is flatter shooting since the .284 bullet has a better BC, one of the biggest reasons for the new 7mm/300WSM.
 

[bobcat]

The charts are correct- they are virtually the same.

The only real difference in my opinion, is in recoil. If you want to shoot heavier bullets and recoil doesn't bother you, then go with the 300.

If you'd prefer less recoil go with the 7mm.

You really can't go wrong with either one.

[Huntbear]

That depends...  on many things..

However, read a something a few years ago..  the .338 shooting the 210 gr. partition flies flatter than a 7 mm mag shooting a 175 gr. bullet...  After owning and shooting both calibers, I like the .338.  Flat enough to shoot 600 yards easily... enough power to knock an elk flat at that range.

Just something to add to your thinking process......

[huntnphool]

 Here is a good read http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek071.html

[BULLBLASTER]

if you are looking for max point blank range (kill zone with no hold over/under) it will be around 320 yards or so with both. if you are wanting to turn turrets then it doesnt really matter anyways. that said i would not let how flat a bullet shoots decide what caliber to buy.

[rtspring]

get a 300 RUM and you will be happy........

[rbros]

Depends on the range and twist rate.  Close range, they are the same.  With the correct twist and bullet, the 7mag trumps the 300 at distance......700+ yds.  Recoil will also be less with the 7.

[kentrek]

if your hand loading it comes down to the bc of the bullet, if your just buying factory ammo your gona have velocity spikes anywhere from 50fps all the way up to 150fps (rem core-lock,fed premium) so its going to be pretty inconclusive,assuming your shooting the same weight bullet. also shooting flat doesn't mean much if you flinch and close your eyes because of recoil,good shooting habits will make up the difference for the slower "less recoil" load

[iceman91m]

thanks for the info. Im looking at buying the Savage Long Range Hunter in 7mm with the Huskemaw 5-20 for shooting out to 1200 yards. Im going to be hand loading and the gun comes with a muzzle brake. I owned a Remington 700 .300 Win Mag and was supprised that there was no real kick to it. i got rid of that gun because when I would try to eject a round the bolt wouldnt open.

[high country]

I would take a look at your methods....if you are seizing the bolt often, perhaps handloading is not your cup of mustard....and  it's gonna take more than a fancy scope to sling 12hundy.

[Alchase]

The charts are correct- they are virtually the same.

The only real difference in my opinion, is in recoil. If you want to shoot heavier bullets and recoil doesn't bother you, then go with the 300.

If you'd prefer less recoil go with the 7mm.

You really can't go wrong with either one.

I agree, after I bought my 7mm, I ended up buying a 300 win mag because I could not choose between the calibers. There does seem to be a larger "over the counter" selection of 300 win mag bullets then the 7MM choices though.

[JackOfAllTrades]

i got rid of that gun because when I would try to eject a round the bolt wouldnt open.

Then you might just want to back off on the power charge then.... 

-Steve

[coachcw]

30-378 with a 190 grain bullet ! . I'm building a 6.5x284 , there's a good write up on the savage in last months riffle magazine on it . I'm using a 700 rem hart barrell with brake , box mag and jewell trigger with the 5x20 huskima , shooting 140 berger vlds . Be carefull my friend this will get addicting !

[rbros]

If you are going to be handloading....get a 7RM.  Stock up on Retumbo and 180 Bergers.  There may be more bullets in 30 cal, but they just aren't as slick as the 7mm's until you get into the 220-230gr bullets, which a WM wouldn't push fast enough to be efficient.  In a 30 cal, it takes a large case to beat the 7mm's.  Even a  300RUM with 210 bergers vs a 7RM with 180's is a wash ballistically.  The RUM does have a little more energy, but not by much and drift and drop are virtually identical.  There will be a new player in the 7mm cartridge field soon, but it will be a custom build deal for now.    More details on that one later.

[wraithen]

If you are going to be handloading....get a 7RM.  Stock up on Retumbo and 180 Bergers.  There may be more bullets in 30 cal, but they just aren't as slick as the 7mm's until you get into the 220-230gr bullets, which a WM wouldn't push fast enough to be efficient.  In a 30 cal, it takes a large case to beat the 7mm's.  Even a  300RUM with 210 bergers vs a 7RM with 180's is a wash ballistically.  The RUM does have a little more energy, but not by much and drift and drop are virtually identical.  There will be a new player in the 7mm cartridge field soon, but it will be a custom build deal for now.    More details on that one later.

Knowing who you are I'm afraid to ask this but custom as in a little modification or custom as in you're gonna take a 30mm case and smash a 7mm bullet into it

[rbros]

HAHA.....no worries, have I shot with you at matches?....it will fit into a standard magnum action.  The 30mm is a good idea, but knowing that a 7/338 Lapua Improved will destroy a barrel in a short amount of rounds, I will save that one for a later date.

By custom, I mean it will be a proprietary case design.  Although a mainstream manufacturer has taken an interest, we will have to wait and see how things shake out.  We will have dies readily available though and case forming is a breeze.

[iceman91m]

I would take a look at your methods....if you are seizing the bolt often, perhaps handloading is not your cup of mustard....and  it's gonna take more than a fancy scope to sling 12hundy.

I did do hand loads a few times but it was doing it with factory ammo

[jyerxa]

I am an over the counter kind of guy. I'm not so specialized. Some of you really blow me out of the water with all of the knowledge you have. I learn a lot from you guys.

But for us over the counter kind of guys this link is really cool. I have compared so many different rounds and out to 300 yards is really amazing. 06, 7mm, 300 mag etc etc etc. Almost inch per inch are identical.

I shoot a 7mm. I guess I just chew the fat and say mines better. 

http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistics-calculator/Pages/ballistics-calculator.aspx

[iceman91m]

i thinkin on the 7RM but i do like the selection on 300WM

[huntnphool]

i thinkin on the 7RM but i do like the selection on 300WM

 This kind of discussion always makes me laugh. Does over the counter selection really matter? Its not like you will be switching up every other week. It may take you a couple, maybe three four boxes of ammo before you find which one works the best for your rifle. Unless you hand load, finding a specific factory box that shoots 1/2 moa is not likely to happen. If you are dead set on using factory loads be happy with hitting a softball at 300 yards and call it quits.

 There are plenty of selection for both calibers at any sporting good store to accomplish this, having dozens and dozens of different shelf options should not be the determining factor in your choice.

[iceman91m]

thanks for the insight. im almost dead set on hand loading. have you ever shot bergers? i watch best of the west and long range pursuit alot and they pretty much got me convinced/hooked on berger VLD's

[huntnphool]

thanks for the insight. im almost dead set on hand loading. have you ever shot bergers? i watch best of the west and long range pursuit alot and they pretty much got me convinced/hooked on berger VLD's

 Depending on your twist rate the 168 VLD would be the one I would be going with.

[iceman91m]

speaking of twist is the higher the better? the one im lookin at is 10

[huntnphool]

speaking of twist is the higher the better? the one im lookin at is 10

1/10 will work well with the 168, maybe 180 Barnes TSX as well.

[iceman91m]

alright well thanks for all your help. now i just gotta wait 3 damn months to buy my gun. i just might have to drive back to WA to buy it

[huntnnw]

i would own a hunting rifle on how flat...sometimes turing turrets isnt a option and u better know your gun and drop rates on the fly...a flat shooting mag is worth its weight in gold out hunting..u can 0 at 250 and be good at to 400 with a mater of inches

[kentrek]

thanks for the insight. im almost dead set on hand loading. have you ever shot bergers? i watch best of the west and long range pursuit alot and they pretty much got me convinced/hooked on berger VLD's

so far wev only shot 4 elk and a few deer since we started shooting them in 2010,i would really look at the average range you would be shooting.i think at distances >200 yards the berger would be hard to beet but we had one blow up on rib and didnt get too much penetration on a spike bull at about 60 yards(185gr,30 cal,2820 fps). maybe other people have had different results at close range on critters ? all the other animals shot were  further out and died incredibly fast

[iceman91m]

i havent been to the area i want to hunt yet but i would only imagine alot of my shots are going to be over 200 now that im outta the trees

[TwoSixFourWins]

Go get a 264 WinMag

[BULLBLASTER]

i would own a hunting rifle on how flat...sometimes turing turrets isnt a option and u better know your gun and drop rates on the fly...a flat shooting mag is worth its weight in gold out hunting..u can 0 at 250 and be good at to 400 with a mater of inches

agreed but the difference between the 7 mag and 300 mag is very small to 400 yards.

[huntnnw]

yeah..I am talking if someone were to buy a 7mm or a 338 and the difference out to 400 is considerable.  Really dont matter if you are turning turrets