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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2012, 03:04:24 PM »
hahaha, I'm good!
Excuse me lord  :chuckle: But I now have to ask this question  :dunno: HUMANURE -Are you the one in the front of the line ???  :sry: :o :yeah:

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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #121 on: April 29, 2012, 12:49:54 AM »
Funny, but no.
We would be better off to not have been, but since we're here, it's our responsibility to exist without standing in natures way, It is not in our DNA to mandatorily become environmentally destructive juggernauts!

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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #122 on: April 29, 2012, 02:08:29 AM »
Since the sentiment here is that measures aren't being taken to make things co-habitable for the hunting community, what are some of your idea's that could be pro-active in doing so? And please, i already know you want to shoot them as a measure, so lets move beyond that.





What is there to move on to?  Dead wolves are the end of the line. Nothing to move on to. End of story and the hunter lives happily ever after!
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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #123 on: April 29, 2012, 02:32:00 AM »
You done?

Anyone have any ideas at all?
We would be better off to not have been, but since we're here, it's our responsibility to exist without standing in natures way, It is not in our DNA to mandatorily become environmentally destructive juggernauts!

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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #124 on: April 29, 2012, 02:38:47 AM »
not for you
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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #125 on: April 29, 2012, 06:59:27 AM »
not for you

manure posted that question, and immediately after it was posted he set me on the "ignore" feature.  I can still se it's posts, but it can't see mine.

What a tool. He doesn't want solutions. He wants everyone else to agree with his warped little brain

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Re: State helps protect livestock from wolves
« Reply #126 on: April 29, 2012, 07:52:28 AM »
Humanure, that is a great article about coyotes. I know people that use llamas to protect thier  cattle calfs from coyotes, and have seen a stopped coyote before. Those methods do work.... On coyotes... Dogs and llamas do do much for wolves. In fact any dog that is in wolves territory is a challenge.

The real fact of the matter is this. The stock of beef cannot currently meet demand. Wolves require less/no range land use and concentrates cattle. Feed lots will be the only real way to raise beef. The loss of very many cattle will take out any profit in Cheaper range grazing. Marginal to unproductive Farm land currently makes up range ground here in Wa. This creates more competition for food sources. Currently there is not real un-tapped farm ground. Nearly all possible farm ground is under production. Land left over is marginal requiring lots of water and/or has poor quality soil.

So, you preach co-habitation... Which is better? feed lots and pens, or range ground? Higher beef costs, or opening up new water sources to grow crops like hay to feed cattle in those pens?

I'll be honest, thinking about all of this, everyone's special interests, ways of life, etc... there's going to have to be compromise on both sides. To be honest, if beef cannot meet the current demand... what in the hell does that say about our country, human populous, etc? I think that's a huge problem in of itself that needs to be over-hauled and dealt with, and not by increasing beef stock. I'm not even thinking about humananity vs. wildlife on that thought, I'm saying that we, the people(haha), need to take responsibility for this situation we've created for ourselves. We have to many fat ass' in this country, and they eat way to freakin much! I honestly think thats our biggest issue, currently. Because humanity is seriously so obese that it compromises our ability to let the wild have it's habitat... then what does that mean for the future?

Take your quote, change "beef" to "elk" and "humans" to wolves.....You just described Idaho, Montana and soon washinton.

 


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