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New Montana paper licenses
« on: January 16, 2020, 09:07:15 AM »
This is interesting. You can now print your license and tags on your printer from home. I agree this is convenient, but creates potential abuse and destroyed licenses.

-They say put your paper carcass tag in a zip lock baggie. We all know water will find a way in that bag and now you have an unreadable tag. Will you get fined and your animal seized?

-Bad seeds will print multiple tags and poach killing multiple animals.

-I like that you can use your mobile device to show proof of license.....until your phone dies or you lose your phone.

I think they mean well, but these are obvious issues/faults with their plan.





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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 09:10:29 AM »
The other big change is no mail in paper applications this year.  It is all online applications which they say will  improve results posting by 4 weeks.  Instead of results in 6 weeks they hope to have results 2 weeks after deadline.
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2020, 09:12:53 AM »
Yeah printing tags seems like a bad idea, printing license and mailing tags seems more fool proof

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2020, 09:13:41 AM »
You could always print on rite in the rain paper if you were ambitious i guess

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2020, 09:13:54 AM »
The license/tag will most likely have the ability to only be printed a single time.  Try hitting that print button twice and the second time will not work.  If you lose your license or tag, no reprinting, you'll have to call or stop by an office.
Same way Oregon does it.
No way they are dumb enough to have the ability to print multiple licenses/tags.

Doing the system this way and knocking off 4 weeks of waiting is great.
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2020, 09:29:35 AM »
It sure beats printing them in disappearing ink like they did last year.  Print it, take a picture with your phone and make a copy to keep in the truck.

The sooner we go to mobile licenses the better in my opinion.  I have licenses floating all around my boat, blind bag, hunting gear, cupboard and who knows how many other places.

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2020, 09:58:26 AM »
The license/tag will most likely have the ability to only be printed a single time.  Try hitting that print button twice and the second time will not work.  If you lose your license or tag, no reprinting, you'll have to call or stop by an office.
Same way Oregon does it.
No way they are dumb enough to have the ability to print multiple licenses/tags.

Doing the system this way and knocking off 4 weeks of waiting is great.
Kudos Montana.

 :yeah:  Oregon does this and you can only print once
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2020, 10:13:38 AM »
The license/tag will most likely have the ability to only be printed a single time.  Try hitting that print button twice and the second time will not work.  If you lose your license or tag, no reprinting, you'll have to call or stop by an office.
Same way Oregon does it.
No way they are dumb enough to have the ability to print multiple licenses/tags.

Doing the system this way and knocking off 4 weeks of waiting is great.
Kudos Montana.



I still see this as a huge fraud/poaching problem.  Even if you can only print the tag once, a guy could still make as many copies as he wants too.  No way to know if the tag is the original or not.  Especially with all of the different kind of personal printers both high and low quality.  I can print an original on my printer and then make a copy on the same printer and none of you would be able to tell which one was the original.  In the past, if you went to a store and bought a duplicate due to loss, they could see that and give it extra scrutiny.  Now there will be guys shooting multiple (many!!) animals on the same tag.  As long as they are not checked after the harvest and the animal is processed and in the freezer, there is nothing stopping them from hitting the hills again and again.

Another huge issue as some mentioned above is the ability to keep a common piece of computer paper in decent condition in the field.  There will be huge problems with this also.  You just about wonder how much thought was put into all of this.  Sounds like a knee jerk reaction to the faded license problem they had last year.  I do like that all of the licensing will be done on line and results will be available much earlier.
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2020, 10:23:41 AM »
Call em up and tell them to do it better then.

There are so many what ifs and every system can be abused.

They are trying to save money, better than increasing tag cost again at the moment.

Just enjoy your results 4 weeks earlier, play by the rules and go have fun. It's pretty simple and enjoyable
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2020, 10:33:24 AM »
I like the move, save money on printing, get the draw done quicker, people can print their licenses immediately, and maybe MFWP can afford another warden in the field. Time for more agencies to catch up with modern times!
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2020, 10:43:30 AM »
The license/tag will most likely have the ability to only be printed a single time.  Try hitting that print button twice and the second time will not work.  If you lose your license or tag, no reprinting, you'll have to call or stop by an office.
Same way Oregon does it.
No way they are dumb enough to have the ability to print multiple licenses/tags.

Doing the system this way and knocking off 4 weeks of waiting is great.
Kudos Montana.



I still see this as a huge fraud/poaching problem.  Even if you can only print the tag once, a guy could still make as many copies as he wants too.  No way to know if the tag is the original or not.  Especially with all of the different kind of personal printers both high and low quality.  I can print an original on my printer and then make a copy on the same printer and none of you would be able to tell which one was the original.  In the past, if you went to a store and bought a duplicate due to loss, they could see that and give it extra scrutiny.  Now there will be guys shooting multiple (many!!) animals on the same tag.  As long as they are not checked after the harvest and the animal is processed and in the freezer, there is nothing stopping them from hitting the hills again and again.

Another huge issue as some mentioned above is the ability to keep a common piece of computer paper in decent condition in the field.  There will be huge problems with this also.  You just about wonder how much thought was put into all of this.  Sounds like a knee jerk reaction to the faded license problem they had last year.  I do like that all of the licensing will be done on line and results will be available much earlier.

It is not a knee jerk reaction...they specifically stated why the state is doing this:
"For years, FWP licenses and tags have been produced on weather-resistant paper. However, this paper is not only expensive, but requires printing technology so outdated that it’s almost impossible to replace" as well as other benefits listed above.

IMO, this will have no impact on poaching. The same law abiding hunters will follow the law, and the same poachers will keep doing what they do.

Earlier results, dont have to wait on tags being mailed, and no tag fee increase? Sounds good to me  :IBCOOL:


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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2020, 10:53:09 AM »
I would expect the mobile license to expand to tags where you can punch them electronically through a dedicated app.  It would be pretty cool as it could be configured to require gps access by the app to use it and that would be about as secure as tagging an animal could get.

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2020, 11:28:17 AM »
 :yeah: Harvest report done.  It wouldn't be able to track the number of days hunted and all of the other information but it would at least get accurate records of animals taken.  The problem of course is tagging in remote areas with no cell service.
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2020, 11:37:15 AM »
Easy, you tag it in the app and then when you get back to service it automatically uploads.  As long as they use an app, it would keep track of everything and you could show it if needed.

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2020, 02:20:46 PM »
I like the move, save money on printing, get the draw done quicker, people can print their licenses immediately, and maybe MFWP can afford another warden in the field. Time for more agencies to catch up with modern times!
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 10:32:36 PM »
The electronic tag submission is a great idea, as long as you are in an area with service and don’t get stopped by a warden before it’s submitted.

Agree there are a lot of what if’s. They’ll just have to work out the kinks.

The paper Washington uses for tags/licenses works great.

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 06:45:27 AM »


The paper Washington uses for tags/licenses works great.
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What about when the Washington paper gets wet or sits in pack or wallet too long and fades so bad u can't even read it . My elk tag last year was unreadable to a warden and in an area that was a special tag thank  God I had printed off receipt and and had that paper they emailed or ij would have been SOL  it's pretty common for it too happem.had it happen with punch cards and other portions of tags/licz

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 06:52:08 AM »


The paper Washington uses for tags/licenses works great.

What about when the Washington paper gets wet or sits in pack or wallet too long and fades so bad u can't even read it . My elk tag last year was unreadable to a warden and in an area that was a special tag thank  God I had printed off receipt and and had that paper they emailed or ij would have been SOL  it's pretty common for it too happem.had it happen with punch cards and other portions of tags/licz
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I was lucky I heard about other people having issues with the ink fading, so I checked mine. I caught it before my ink was completely illegible. I ended up literally writing “elk tag” or “bear tag” on the backs of the appropriate tags with Sharpie. No idea if that would have worked but what else are we supposed to do if the products provided to us to be legal and responsible fail so bad?

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2020, 07:01:30 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2020, 07:22:08 AM »
Or you could vacuum pack and seal the tag until you're ready to use it  :dunno:

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 07:49:51 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:

I also have never had an issue with a tag of any kind in a freezer bag.

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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2020, 07:56:12 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:

my license and tag is always in a little sandwich bag that stays in my bino harness pouch. Never had an issue with it and have hunted in some pouring rain and dumping snow
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 08:01:24 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:

my license and tag is always in a little sandwich bag that stays in my bino harness pouch. Never had an issue with it and have hunted in some pouring rain and dumping snow
right. It's just really a non issue.  Have a little forethought in what a guy is doing.  I'm excited about eventually going paperless and punching tags on an app. Lot less to carry around. Though I'll be a bit sad because I do keep a lanyard of punched tags with a little scribble of what animal it was and if someone was with me.  Paperless would mean an end to that little tradition.
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2020, 08:08:06 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:

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I'm sure Sitka will come out with a high performance one for any "sitka fan boys".  :rolleyes:
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Re: New Montana paper licenses
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2020, 08:13:27 AM »
We had to print our license and permit for our Mtn goat hunt on kodiak last year. Week of the wettest I've ever been out hunting. After a week of being folded up in a cheapo sandwich ziplock and it still looked like a folded up piece of dry printer paper :chuckle: I think we are getting a bit doom and gloom here. It'll be ok. If you are super concerned about this, use a real top quality ziplock brand ziplock freezer bag.  Who is gonna be the first company to release a $100 high performance backcountry license ziplock :chuckle:

You can get one here and support a site sponsor for only $15.

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I'm sure Sitka will come out with a high performance one for any "sitka fan boys".  :rolleyes:
I'm good with my lucky ziplock. Its survived 4-6 states worth of licenses a year for like 5 or 6 years  :chuckle:
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2020, 08:43:27 AM »
I completely disagree.

I see no viable way around this and am therefore going to quit hunting.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2020, 09:03:34 AM »
Karl and Dan-O, you both crack me up.

Back on topic, not only does this speed up the initial results by weeks I would assume this changes the deadline to purchase tags and gives the guys that don't draw a quicker turn around to buy returned tags.
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