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I知 not seeing any advantage to bi-directional charging. That is, unless you have an off-grid cabin or something similar. What I知 I missing? Why would Ford add the extra cost and complexity?
Quote from: CP on September 18, 2021, 02:18:20 PMI知 not seeing any advantage to bi-directional charging. That is, unless you have an off-grid cabin or something similar. What I知 I missing? Why would Ford add the extra cost and complexity?It functions as backup power for your home. The Lightning is expected to be able to provide the average home backup power for 3 days, or up to 10 days if power is rationed. So saves you the cost of buying a backup generator for when the power goes out....which can get quite expensive for a whole house backup generator.
Anyone else make it to a Lighting event at Wildwaves? I was a big underwhelmed by the consumer event yesterday. Truck looks great and the ride along was great, but that was it, the rest was all stuff seen before and no presentations or speaking. Staff was there but no push or promo of the vehicle.The Pro event today was another thing. It was all presentations, much info we have heard before, but some tidbits not known here and there. Def felt like a better experience. The ride alongs were different too, as they had one trailer pulling a 5000# trailer. It pulled it like it was not even there, even up the slop in the parking lot. No data on towing range yet but they are working on building data and a towing curve.The bidirectional power is sounding better. They had partnered with Sunrun initially, but it sounds like Ford is changing direction and bringing the install service inhouse and have bought a company to handle the consumer and fleet side charging installs. I hung around after that presentation and asked about what made it different and needing special installer and the guy said that was just to provide a one stop solution for the customer. Any licensed electrician could install the bi-directional 80A charging setup. That is great news imho.Speaking of bringing inhouse, it also sounds like they are bringing more and more things inhouse. I have a feeling the whole chip and other shortages has really chaffed their hide. They even said they are bringing battery production inhouse.Interesting note, the 4 lightnings on this tour are all handbuilt prototypes, hence no public driving. These things HAUL bigtime. Even in the rain today the awd was hooking up and screaming around the course.
Quote from: kselkhunter on September 18, 2021, 02:35:20 PMQuote from: CP on September 18, 2021, 02:18:20 PMI知 not seeing any advantage to bi-directional charging. That is, unless you have an off-grid cabin or something similar. What I知 I missing? Why would Ford add the extra cost and complexity?It functions as backup power for your home. The Lightning is expected to be able to provide the average home backup power for 3 days, or up to 10 days if power is rationed. So saves you the cost of buying a backup generator for when the power goes out....which can get quite expensive for a whole house backup generator. I understand all that; I just don't see this feature selling many trucks or swaying a buyer from truck A to truck F. But maybe that's just me. So it powers the house for a few days, then I'm out of power and I have a dead truck. Still need backup power.
Quote from: lamrith on September 17, 2021, 08:30:15 PMAnyone else make it to a Lighting event at Wildwaves? I was a big underwhelmed by the consumer event yesterday. Truck looks great and the ride along was great, but that was it, the rest was all stuff seen before and no presentations or speaking. Staff was there but no push or promo of the vehicle.The Pro event today was another thing. It was all presentations, much info we have heard before, but some tidbits not known here and there. Def felt like a better experience. The ride alongs were different too, as they had one trailer pulling a 5000# trailer. It pulled it like it was not even there, even up the slop in the parking lot. No data on towing range yet but they are working on building data and a towing curve.The bidirectional power is sounding better. They had partnered with Sunrun initially, but it sounds like Ford is changing direction and bringing the install service inhouse and have bought a company to handle the consumer and fleet side charging installs. I hung around after that presentation and asked about what made it different and needing special installer and the guy said that was just to provide a one stop solution for the customer. Any licensed electrician could install the bi-directional 80A charging setup. That is great news imho.Speaking of bringing inhouse, it also sounds like they are bringing more and more things inhouse. I have a feeling the whole chip and other shortages has really chaffed their hide. They even said they are bringing battery production inhouse.Interesting note, the 4 lightnings on this tour are all handbuilt prototypes, hence no public driving. These things HAUL bigtime. Even in the rain today the awd was hooking up and screaming around the course.I attended yesterdays pro presentation. The ride along was impressive as was the trailer towing. That truck is so fast for the general public to be driving. Its a 6500 lb missile. That's basically an f250 crew cab diesel that can do 0-60 in 4.4 or 5.4 depending on who you ask. I was able to drive the new f150 responder, that is a great well balanced truck.I was on the fence about the lightning until yesterday. I would probable shell out the extra money for the bigger battery for the extra power. I still can't believe how well it handled the autocross course, it felt more planted than the PIUs they let us drive.
Yes I did both events. They wouldn't pull out the 3.0 ecoboost PIU because it was raining. Two years ago I drove one in the rain and it was a handful. They must have had an incident at some point directing that decision. That car is great for state patrols getting up to highway speed but overkill for city use. An Explorer ST would be a fun SUV for sure.The guy driving the Lightning on the quick course is really good, so is his buddy I didn't see there this time. They took us for a ride in a piu that had me wondering how we didn't roll over. Did the Lighting presenter tell your group the front trunk was good for putting a dead deer in because you can wash out the blood with a hose? I thought that was great.
I think a lot of people could find value in that, power is usually out a couple hours to a day or two in most cases and that will keep you going. During the outage, drive the other car to the store for your ice cream.It's not much extra cost or complexity really, I'm surprised it has taken them this long actually as they have been talking about it for quite a while. PV inverters have been bi-directional forever, same general technology in the charger.Next step will be a home microgrid where you have the truck, a generator, PV, maybe extra batteries depending on what you want to do. A big part of the country is tired of going without power when storms or fires happen.I don't see it as being the thing that sells the truck though, just an added benefit. They won't have any problem selling those trucks, they are desperately trying to make as many as possible before the competition catches up.