Montana 2023

[Stein]

I was surprised, I had issues with GoHunt app discussed in another thread.  When I was talking with them, they said they couldn't see any of my waypoints or anything in my account unless I gave them my password.  They could check to see when it synced, check the website to make sure it's working but they couldn't see any waypoints without me giving them the password.  I did since I didn't have anything to lose (waypoints disappeared) and then changed it the next day.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are differences company to company, but any company dealing with hunters would be a fool to let anyone see anything.  If that got out they would be bankrupt in short order.  The founders of those companies aren't dummies, there are probably guys that went to work for them thinking they might get a little peekaboo.

[grundy53]

Odds with 0 points were like 74% on GoHunt. If you bought a point with 0 going in, you prob didn't draw because you bought the point 

My group and another group I know of all drew with 1 point. I think this year's stats are going to be different than last year's.

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[tdot24]

Def think the stats are diff, was told on here they average the party number, well we averaged 1.4 , still got all 5 in.

[zach1234]

Has this ever happen to anyone else? I put in with 3 of my Buddy's we all applied as a group the group did not draw. Then on the released tags it said the group did draw I have a scream shot of that with my group number. Then the next day they took the group number off and only me and one other person in the group did draw so they split up the group. So now only 2 of the 4 have tags. So I called and they said I can get a 80% refund but I lose my points because I drew a tag but I never applied for an individual tag.

[WSU]

Has this ever happen to anyone else? I put in with 3 of my Buddy's we all applied as a group the group did not draw. Then on the released tags it said the group did draw I have a scream shot of that with my group number. Then the next day they took the group number off and only me and one other person in the group did draw so they split up the group. So now only 2 of the 4 have tags. So I called and they said I can get a 80% refund but I lose my points because I drew a tag but I never applied for an individual tag.

That happened to our group.

[pickardjw]

No issues on our group app. Potentially an error on the application? Entered the group app number wrong or something like the group leader entered Jim Brown as a member of the party but his name in Montana's system is Jimmy Brown? My application had 3 guys of Ukranian descent in it so we went over the names and spellings very carefully lol.

[Karl Blanchard]

Returned tags are not the same as the regular draw. Think of it like the alternates list.

[bobcat]

That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.

[boneaddict]

All I know is I felt like I dropped a mint to apply for three oil hunts. 

[dreamingbig]

That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.

I disagree.  MT actually lets me hunt bull elk.  I will put up with their nuances!


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[CarbonHunter]

Has this ever happen to anyone else? I put in with 3 of my Buddy's we all applied as a group the group did not draw. Then on the released tags it said the group did draw I have a scream shot of that with my group number. Then the next day they took the group number off and only me and one other person in the group did draw so they split up the group. So now only 2 of the 4 have tags. So I called and they said I can get a 80% refund but I lose my points because I drew a tag but I never applied for an individual tag.

Are you sure that 2 of you didn’t select the option to return the tag if you didn’t get your special draw option?  Individual members of the group have the ability to release the tag if they don’t draw the permit they applied for.

[CarbonHunter]

That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.

No Washington resident has the right to badmouth other states draw systems. We have the worse draw system in the west and we all know that. Washington could improve their system if they took a lesson from Montana.

[bobcat]

That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.

No Washington resident has the right to badmouth other states draw systems. We have the worse draw system in the west and we all know that. Washington could improve their system if they took a lesson from Montana.

Montana earned it. The Washington draw system actually works pretty good. We just don't have enough permits relative to the number of applications. But the drawing works very well, and we're fortunate to have a bonus point system instead of preference point system. Montana has been an absolute fiasco the last couple of years.

[dreamingbig]

We are not fortunate to have a bonus point system.  Completely random would be better for all. Bonus points are a gimmick to create revenue to import more wolves and grizzlies.

I would LOVE for them to limit us to 1 choice.  Now that might improve draw odds!


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[bobcat]

Well yes, a random draw would be the best. It would be great to back to how it was before 1996. But points make too much money for the states, that's why the majority have some sort of point system. They try to say it's for the hunters benefit, but really it's all about getting more money out of us hunters.