Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation

[Humptulips]

Public comments are a waste of time.  A multitude of public comments against the wolves were heard and some of the members of the wolf group that supposedly designed the wolf plan were against the plan to begin with and never agreed to it.  The wolf lovers have the reigns and they will do what they want to do regardless of our comments.   WDFW chose the number of 15 pairs long before the wolf plan was ever designed and it was used as the target.  WHY?   
  Public comments are only a procedure they go through with deaf ears.  The wolf lovers will flood the comments from their city dwellings and the ranchers and hunters will have to suffer the consequences.  The wolf lovers will sit at home and read or watch on TV the blood and monetary sacrafices the ranchers make and accuse them as being greedy, money hungry, self centered ranchers that have no regard for the environment.

So true, I was on one of WDFWs commissions. The department makes sure they get the outcome they wanted in the first place but they go through the motions to make things look good.
 Allowing wolves to overpopulate is NOT wildlife management.  They have already reached that level in Eastern Washington.

[Scooter929]

    The same thing is happening in Eastern Oregon.... and the ODFW is treating the rancher the same way. A full grown bull, a mule and several yearlings, are dead and/or eaten and so far no compensation... This rancher had gone thru all the hoops including the (fladery fencing) .....
 
  A lot  of us don't have the time to spend getting up to speed with this wolf deal and it's too bad....
 

   

[WAcoyotehunter]

Provide compensation for guard dogs and other animals used to guard livestock.
Allow ranchers to receive compensation for weight loss in livestock and other effects of wildlife predation that are not directly tied to the death or injury of an animal.

How is this bad?  I'm not really sure why you guys are foaming at the mouth right now. 

[pianoman9701]

Provide compensation for guard dogs and other animals used to guard livestock.
Allow ranchers to receive compensation for weight loss in livestock and other effects of wildlife predation that are not directly tied to the death or injury of an animal.

How is this bad?  I'm not really sure why you guys are foaming at the mouth right now.

Because the wolf plan is much more aggressive than it should've been for our state and was shoved down the throats of all of us. The ranchers objected to its scope vehemently and now, they're being told they need to change their methods if they want compensation that's already been "guaranteed". The whole reason that this has changed is that the DFW underestimated the impact of this aggressive plan on our state and the expense it would require to maintain. It is this PP planning that now requires changes in how the ranchers do business, instead of making changes to the awful plan.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Oh- so adding compensation for weight loss and paying for working dogs is bad?

I agree that the plan needs a bunch of work- this might be a step in the right direction.

BTW- I tend to agree that most of the wolf deterrants are a joke, but we all have to jump through hoops at times.  If the state is paying for it they will eventually figure out what works and give up on what doesn't.

[pianoman9701]

Oh- so adding compensation for weight loss and paying for working dogs is bad?

I agree that the plan needs a bunch of work- this might be a step in the right direction.

BTW- I tend to agree that most of the wolf deterrants are a joke, but we all have to jump through hoops at times.  If the state is paying for it they will eventually figure out what works and give up on what doesn't.

I'm not saying these measures are bad. I'm saying that when the plan was shoved down our throats, these measures weren't part of the deal for compensation because the people who put the plan together had no idea of what they'd be dealing with, even though all of us were screaming it at the top of our lungs. Now, mid-stream, the government has decided that this is way bigger than they'd previously thought and they have to change the game. Well, no chit! If they'd have listened to their people who would be most affected instead of the greenies in Seattle who'll never be affected, the plan would've have been about 50% less aggressive, in line with our population density and the amount of wilderness area available for a new apex predator. It comes as no surprise to me that after being completely ignored during the planning stages of the plan, that the cattlemen are now calling foul and refusing to cooperate.

[Maverick]

This is why our country is broke. Too many idiots out there. how much have the wolves cost our state so far? It would be so much easier to just to open a wolf season!  Then the state could make a little money from wolves. Not lose a sh** ton...

[WAcoyotehunter]

The cattlemen participated in the working group and agreed to the compensation details in that forum.  They were ignored when they initiated the "minority opinion", but they should have been pushing that before the 11th hour.  It happened too damn late. 

Wolves are a costly species to manage.  Hopefully hunting then will offset those costs...someday.  Given the political climate here, it's unlikely to happen soon.

[pianoman9701]

The cattlemen participated in the working group and agreed to the compensation details in that forum.  They were ignored when they initiated the "minority opinion", but they should have been pushing that before the 11th hour.  It happened too damn late. 

Wolves are a costly species to manage.  Hopefully hunting then will offset those costs...someday.  Given the political climate here, it's unlikely to happen soon.

They participated from the beginning and were completely ignored. They begged to be heard and their fears were never given even the slightest consideration. The 11th hour statement is a fantasy. They were objecting to the scope of this plan from the get-go.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Wow- that's not really the way it seemed during the wolf meetings.  I know they were heavily involved and they fought for some changes.  I know a few of the folks that were at all of the meetings and they felt like everyone at least got something from the deal.  No group got everything they wanted.

[pianoman9701]

Wow- that's not really the way it seemed during the wolf meetings.  I know they were heavily involved and they fought for some changes.  I know a few of the folks that were at all of the meetings and they felt like everyone at least got something from the deal.  No group got everything they wanted.

You have only to look at the scope of the plan to see who it was that got what they wanted.

[villageidiot]

These changes they want and that the McIrvin's did cost the cattlemen money too.  For instance, holding cows off the pasture till after wolf whelping.  Hay has to be bought and fed at a high price.  Also, keeping calves at home till they have some size so they won't be attacked.  This costs too because that cow and calf have to be fed somewhere and kept corraled. Then there is that odd calf born late out in the range which happens fairly often.  That calf is doomed to die with wolves around in very short order if the wolves pass by because he is practically defenseless.  As I remember too that each farmer/rancher is only allowed 5,000 dollars total.  What a joke.  If he agrees to work with them then the Cons. Northwest says the cattlemen is being compensated and very happy.  NO Way is he happy because he is not being compensated fully.  So most of the cattlemen will not sign anything because they have seen other cattlemen get shafted.  Until the cattlemen are allowed to shoot the wolves that attack their cows and any hanging around will he be pleased.  As most of you know by now those deterents they come up with were disigned by some uninformed greenie sitting in an office or apartment that don't have a clue about ranching or wolf behavior.  All they know is what they see on TV and Disney channel.  Just don't understand why the people that are being affected the most and know the most about wolf behavior and cattle behavior don't get more input

[huntnphool]

This is absolute BS!!! Duvia called them out on their numbers estimate during the proposal meetings, telling them that the other states experienced much higher depredation and compensation than WDFW had in their power point presentation and flat out asked them why they thought their experts and numbers would be any different and they didn't have a legit answer. Now reality slaps them in the face and they want to revamp the compensation plan?


 This is completely unacceptable! I was sitting there when vice chair Duvia called them out on their numbers. If they want to revamp the compensation plan then it should only be done with a completely revamped wolf plan, anything else is absolutely unacceptable and I hope the cattlemans association holds their feet over the fire!!!

[pianoman9701]

This is absolute BS!!! Duvia called them out on their numbers estimate during the proposal meetings, telling them that the other states experienced much higher depredation and compensation than WDFW had in their power point presentation and flat out asked them why they thought their experts and numbers would be any different and they didn't have a legit answer. Now reality slaps them in the face and they want to revamp the compensation plan?


 This is completely unacceptable! I was sitting there when vice chair Duvia called them out on their numbers. If they want to revamp the compensation plan then it should only be done with a completely revamped wolf plan, anything else is absolutely unacceptable and I hope the cattlemans association holds their feet over the fire!!!

What he said, but while trying to maintain my lower blood pressure!

[huntnphool]

This is absolute BS!!! Duvia called them out on their numbers estimate during the proposal meetings, telling them that the other states experienced much higher depredation and compensation than WDFW had in their power point presentation and flat out asked them why they thought their experts and numbers would be any different and they didn't have a legit answer. Now reality slaps them in the face and they want to revamp the compensation plan?


 This is completely unacceptable! I was sitting there when vice chair Duvia called them out on their numbers. If they want to revamp the compensation plan then it should only be done with a completely revamped wolf plan, anything else is absolutely unacceptable and I hope the cattlemans association holds their feet over the fire!!!

What he said, but while trying to maintain my lower blood pressure!

Sorry Brother, after four years of this BO administration and then all the chaos of this election this wolf issue is close to putting me right over the top. Liberal thinking in this country is going to have us in a revolution if this BS continues.