Lock The Gates

[buckcanyonlodge]

What is the problem with the gates open now? I am tyring to learn.

My only problem I have with locked gates, is it descriminates older hunters. My dad, is in descent shape for 66 years old he can gets out and hunts. But he cannot hike in several miles and then start pushing canyons. And if he shoots one he is even more screwed, becuase he has to get it out. Imagine applying for sevearal years to get drawn. Then you finally get drawn and they lock the gates on you.

Other then that....go ahead and lock them. I don't have a problem hiking in. But I am also 36 years old and in great shapel.

I feel for the old guys/gals that would not be able to go all the way up in there but thats life. There are lots of things I have had to stop doing as I got older, its just part of life, harsh I know but it is what it is. Its time to do something about this now or there won't be much left for our kids down the road. One of the two groups are going to suffer, the old or the young. Much less people in the long run will be effected if we lock them now.

Hey how about we just have a physical test before you can buy a hunting license?? Say, hike 8 miles with a 40 pound pack and then go back and pack out a 200 lb animal. Can't do it...TOO BAD... NO LICENSE FOR YOU....  Life is a Bitch!! Go take up puzzle making you old farts. 

[wilsongideon]

I am all for one main road through and all spur roads gated. Improved hunting for everyone. Disable can still drive through and look, hunters have to leave the rig to get the quality hunt. But I am in favor of this in more then just the entiat

[CAMPMEAT]

What makes you able bodied hunters so special ? I can't hike at all. They should give ALL disabled hunters access to YOUR locked gates and allow us NON able bodied hunters to ride our ATVs behind ALL locked gates. . We get the worst areas to hunt that are supposed to be an area where we will have a good chance to get that deer or elk, or whatever the WDFW allows us to hunt. Stop your whining, you guys aren't special in my book, just a bunch of cry babies.

I'm sorry you are disabled but this state gives out handicapped parking permits to those that the only way they are handicapped is by being a lard azz. Look in the store next time and see who it is using the handicapped shopping carts or parking in the handicapped zones.. those that the exercise would do the most good.

Real talk! Go to WalMart on the first Sunday at the first of the month. LMFAO
You can pretty much fake a back injury and get on perm disability, live off the state, and handi cap hunt. I am all for people who are LEGIT, but most handicapped people I see, are fat and have no ambition to change their situation.
I am in Medical Sales, prior I was a drug rep for 5 years. I use to watch people go in to see their doctor and listen to them complain to me in the waiting area, about the high cost of drugs. I would later leave and see them standing out in front of the doctors office smoking a cigerette, while hooked up to an oxygen tank. Life is what you make of it. The only people who have an excuss for being fat, are the ones who are on steriods for other medical issues, which force them to put on weight.

You might be thumping your chest, but what does FAT have to do with being disabled ? ALL people that are disabled aren't FAT or smoke or are on oxygen..........

[gotcha]

Westsiders. Here we go again. I agree on more walk in areas. Not all should be. Tuff to get in and show the kids and youngster.

[CAMPMEAT]

What makes you able bodied hunters so special ? I can't hike at all. They should give ALL disabled hunters access to YOUR locked gates and allow us NON able bodied hunters to ride our ATVs behind ALL locked gates. . We get the worst areas to hunt that are supposed to be an area where we will have a good chance to get that deer or elk, or whatever the WDFW allows us to hunt. Stop your whining, you guys aren't special in my book, just a bunch of cry babies.

As far as I know, this topic was started so we could discuss managing a critical resource, during a critical time, on critical lands.  Not so people could whine.  PS, I thought you said you hated eating deer meat?

Me disliking deer meat has nothing to do with locked gates, period !!

[DBLDWN]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

[lemondog]

"if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse'


And a Loin Cloth I might add!

[huntnphool]

Same song and dance every year, nothing is going to change! I see the same rig same individuals head up the valley past my house to the imediate winter range and kill a truck load of deer and drive out. I had a late archery chiwawa tag this year and watched the same rig shoot two bucks off the road with a rifle when we were hunting, same happens in the entiat unit time and time again. I guess my questions are: how many rutted out deer can a person  eat? Whens enough enough? And do they honestly feel they are not abusing their rights? Locking gates isnt going to solve the problem, just compound it. In my opinion
if the tribes use ancestry rights to subsistance hunt, then they should hunt like their ancesters did with a long bow and a horse. The way the deer herd looks now, if it keeps going like its going the deer herd will be next to nothing in a year or two. Maybe thats the plan?

Okay so what is a viable plan? Closing these areas down to "no motorized vehicles" won't help......really?

 Bitching and complaining is useless unless you can come up with a solution. It kills me that some of you guys whine about this and that, yet when someone suggests something all you do is try to rationalize why it won't work, why it shouldn't be done. Why cant you, Bobcat and others look for reasons or ways that it would work or alternative solutions?

 Few here would argue that there isn't a problem in a few of these areas, so why do most sit back and accept it, why not look for solution rather than sitting back and doing nothing except complaining.

[whacker1]

phool - I think you are missing the point.  our state already bends over backwards to the tribes, and so much so that in many areas of the state, the tribes have keys and are the only ones allowed in.  So if it is the tribes you want to keep out, that is not the solution.  I don't have the solution, but wanted to make that point very clear. 

[lemondog]

Some general access. Gated spurs. SPECIAL ACCESS for DISABLED HUNTERS. Add a few "Premium" tags. Get in shape and have a great hunt!

[bobcat]

I think what would be needed for this to happen, is biological data from the WDFW showing that there is a problem.

Are you saying there isn't?

Isn't a problem? Or isn't data that show there is a problem?

What I'm saying is I don't know if they have the data, but either way, they will need it because they are the ones that will have to push for this idea of limiting access. I doubt the forest service will be in favor of this.

[Hilltop123]

Who needs keys? Hell someone cut the lock on Observatory Rd. and the Cascade park gates last winter, they stayed unlocked for a good portion of the winter, like I said who needs keys?

[huntnphool]

phool - I think you are missing the point.  our state already bends over backwards to the tribes, and so much so that in many areas of the state, the tribes have keys and are the only ones allowed in.  So if it is the tribes you want to keep out, that is not the solution.  I don't have the solution, but wanted to make that point very clear.

Are you telling me that if the state locked these areas they would have to give the tribes keys? Where is your info coming from.

[CAMPMEAT]

Some general access. Gated spurs. SPECIAL ACCESS for DISABLED HUNTERS. Add a few "Premium" tags. Get in shape and have a great hunt!

.......or stop bitching and showing stupidity !

[PlateauNDN]

phool - I think you are missing the point.  our state already bends over backwards to the tribes, and so much so that in many areas of the state, the tribes have keys and are the only ones allowed in.  So if it is the tribes you want to keep out, that is not the solution.  I don't have the solution, but wanted to make that point very clear.

Are you telling me that if the state locked these areas they would have to give the tribes keys? Where is your info coming from.

I agree, Bobcat and whacker1, where's your proof to back up this theory?  I have never heard of this happening in my area, not to say it might have happened.  Where have you seen or heard this occur because I haven't heard of any such thing except earlier this year when WDFW employees got in trouble for handing out keys for bear hunts to reduce their numbers on timber company lands.  Official report keys rescinded and end of story?