Tribal hunting bills introduced

[BOWHUNTER45]

I think its time for the whiteman to make his own rules ...there are more of us than them and to keep letting them take take and take has to come to an end ! Everyday that passes by we loose more of our freedom as Americans ...the government needs to quit regulating our life styles ....we are the people and the government should be doing whats right for all !!!!

[Special T]

BH that kind of statement will get us NOWHERE! Since equality is soooo important to all the lib's in Government we need to make the case that IF it is open to one usergroup then it needs to be open to all. If its public land then we ALL should have equal access. 

[whiteeyes]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

[mfswallace]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

BH that kind of statement will get us NOWHERE! Since equality is soooo important to all the lib's in Government we need to make the case that IF it is open to one usergroup then it needs to be open to all. If its public land then we ALL should have equal access. 

[Special T]

I think part of the Us Vs Them  stems from 2 facts Whiteeyes. 1st the tribes are not very vocal about certian bs like closing roads and such. 2nd The tribes push for esceptions to these BS rules opposed to fighting them in general.

I think there is a BIG jump in logic between the tribes engaging in thier treaty rights, like hunting, fishing or gathering, and carving out excemptions for tribal members only that are NOT addressed in the treaty.

I feel tribes are just trying to do what they feel is best for thier members. I think Sportmen and Tribes men COULD be better allies to help us both. Tribes distrust the WDFW, and so do many sportmen. These bills have us argueing how to Divide the pie instead of argueing about how we are going to make a bigger one.

That said we have some Real POS in our state legisalture that need a good  While i can't blame the tribes for trying to protect themselves from the Liberal adjenda, i do blame our stupid representatives.

[mfswallace]

I think part of the Us Vs Them  stems from 2 facts Whiteeyes. 1st the tribes are not very vocal about certian bs like closing roads and such. 2nd The tribes push for esceptions to these BS rules opposed to fighting them in general.

I think there is a BIG jump in logic between the tribes engaging in thier treaty rights, like hunting, fishing or gathering, and carving out excemptions for tribal members only that are NOT addressed in the treaty.

I feel tribes are just trying to do what they feel is best for thier members. I think Sportmen and Tribes men COULD be better allies to help us both. Tribes distrust the WDFW, and so do many sportmen. These bills have us argueing how to Divide the pie instead of argueing about how we are going to make a bigger one.

That said we have some Real POS in our state legisalture that need a good  While i can't blame the tribes for trying to protect themselves from the Liberal adjenda, i do blame our stupid representatives.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I think I started out not blaming the tribes  and I also said it should be equal for all of us ... The tribes are only running on what THE GOVERNMENT HANDS THEM ...If they handed us the same rights as the tribes we would be all over it !

[Curly]

14 sponsors – 1 republican in the group – 2 are from Spokane and the rest are from the urban areas from Marysville to Olympia.  I doubt if any of them have ever set foot on the public lands they are opening up.
 


Rep. David Sawyer   D   29th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT      
Rep. Marko Liias  (D)  21st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT   

Rep. John McCoy  (D)  38th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT   
Rep. Jake Fey (D)  27th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT         
Rep. Sam Hunt (D)  22nd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT      
Rep. Marcus Riccelli  (D)  3rd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT      
Rep. Sherry Appleton (D)  23rd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT   
Rep. Sharon Tomiko Santos  (D)  37th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 
Rep. Hans Dunshee  (D)  44th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 
Rep. Derek Stanford  (D)  1st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT      
Rep. Cindy Ryu Assistant Majority Whip (D)  32nd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT   

Rep. Steve O'Ban  (R)  28th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT   
Rep. Timm Ormsby  (D)  3rd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 
Rep. Gerry Pollet  (D)  46th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT

None of these morons are in my district.  I think it would help if they hear from some people that are from their disticts.  If you don't know who your representatives are, you can check out this link: http://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/

[huntnphool]

...If they handed us the same rights as the tribes we would be all over it !

and the herds would suffer.

[Practical Approach]

I think whether you are tribal or a state hunter, many feel the pressures of losing access to hunting areas with each passing year.  Whether it is new land owners restricting access, fire hazard restrictions, urban sprawl or the gating of roads.  I have mixed feelings on gates however, on one hand I see them as a necessity for managing game populations by restricting easy access to every road hunter or poacher as well as cutting down on the dumping of garbage by local deadbeats.  On the other hand I think there does need to be a reasonable amount of access  and every road shouldn't be gated off.  Not everyone can hike or bike 5 miles in to their hunting site.  (but that is a whole nother subject).   

I think tribal governments are doing what is best for their hunters.  Their hunters probably complain about lack of access due to gates and their government takes steps to help resolve the problem. 

I also belive the WDFW works to gain access to closed areas for state hunters as well.  I think they have different mechanisms for  pursuing access opportunities. 

My guess is that the state and the tribes find it hard to work together on this same issue due to differences in hunting seasons, areas they want to access to etc.   Not to mention one tribe with 5-150 licensed hunters are easier to focus and find solutioins for than  however many thousand state hunters there are.    Lets say the tribes have 500 hunters, I would wager that they all want the same type of access,  ask the thousands of state hunters what they want, and I bet you get a whole lot of different answers.  Many will want more access, many will think there is too much access. Others will have other ideas. 

It seems the main thing the state hunters do agree on is that they don't want the tribes getting anything different (percieved special treatment) than them.  If you feel that access is adequate as it is to state lands then oppose this bill.  However, if you are upset that you don't have the same access then let WDFW and your representatives know that you want a similar bill or equall access.   

                           

[JM]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

I don't think that people are upset that the gates are getting locked. I think it's the fact that they want access to areas that are closed to the rest of us for a reason deemed benefical to the land and wildlife by our bioligists. The other thing is why wouldn't you want to be checked by a fish & game officer? If you are on land that the general public can use and is maintained by state or federal tax dollars you should be subject to our officers inspections at their descretion. Besides I have read time and time again from tribal members on here that the ceeded land is so large that their officers can't patrol it all, but yet they want to make it so our fish and game officers have to call their understaffed fish and game to take care of it? Makes no sense to me.

[lokidog]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

I don't think that people are upset that the gates are getting locked. I think it's the fact that they want access to areas that are closed to the rest of us for a reason deemed benefical to the land and wildlife by our bioligists. The other thing is why wouldn't you want to be checked by a fish & game officer? If you are on land that the general public can use and is maintained by state or federal tax dollars you should be subject to our officers inspections at their descretion. Besides I have read time and time again from tribal members on here that the ceeded land is so large that their officers can't patrol it all, but yet they want to make it so our fish and game officers have to call their understaffed fish and game to take care of it? Makes no sense to me.

 

I guess the natives can't find enough animals to kill in open areas during the other 8 months that noone else can hunt.      

[Practical Approach]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

I don't think that people are upset that the gates are getting locked. I think it's the fact that they want access to areas that are closed to the rest of us for a reason deemed benefical to the land and wildlife by our bioligists. The other thing is why wouldn't you want to be checked by a fish & game officer? If you are on land that the general public can use and is maintained by state or federal tax dollars you should be subject to our officers inspections at their descretion. Besides I have read time and time again from tribal members on here that the ceeded land is so large that their officers can't patrol it all, but yet they want to make it so our fish and game officers have to call their understaffed fish and game to take care of it? Makes no sense to me.

 

I guess the natives can't find enough animals to kill in open areas during the other 8 months that noone else can hunt.      

Check your regs.  If you include general deer seasons and special permits and master hunter programs, the state has seasons for deer from August 1 through March 31.  While all of those dayse aren't open consecutively, the state does have deer hunting opportunities 8 out of the 12 months. 

I haven't checked elk yet.

[lokidog]

Its not the tribes putting up gates every where and locking every body out. Every body always gets so against the Tribes when the people causing the problems are the same people that are wanting to take your guns and 2A. All the Tribes are doing is the same thing we are doing to keep from loosing the 2A.

I don't think that people are upset that the gates are getting locked. I think it's the fact that they want access to areas that are closed to the rest of us for a reason deemed benefical to the land and wildlife by our bioligists. The other thing is why wouldn't you want to be checked by a fish & game officer? If you are on land that the general public can use and is maintained by state or federal tax dollars you should be subject to our officers inspections at their descretion. Besides I have read time and time again from tribal members on here that the ceeded land is so large that their officers can't patrol it all, but yet they want to make it so our fish and game officers have to call their understaffed fish and game to take care of it? Makes no sense to me.

 

I guess the natives can't find enough animals to kill in open areas during the other 8 months that noone else can hunt.      

Check your regs.  If you include general deer seasons and special permits and master hunter programs, the state has seasons for deer from August 1 through March 31.  While all of those dayse aren't open consecutively, the state does have deer hunting opportunities 8 out of the 12 months. 

I haven't checked elk yet.

Not for those of us that have to pick a weapon and, for elk, a side of the state.   

[bobcat]

Check your regs.  If you include general deer seasons and special permits and master hunter programs, the state has seasons for deer from August 1 through March 31.  While all of those dayse aren't open consecutively, the state does have deer hunting opportunities 8 out of the 12 months. 

Maybe so, but 99.99% of our deer hunting is from September 1 to December 31.
(But I'm sure you know that)