Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[Northway]

I'll recreate the same with them over here.

I grew up camping and recreating on the eastside every chance my dad could get away from Boeing. That pattern has not and will not change with wolves.

[bobcat]

Funny how those on the westside who expect us on the eastside to change our lifestyles to accomodate wolves don't want anything to do with wolves in their neighborhood. 

I don't expect you to change your lifestyle. All I said is it makes sense to keep dogs and cats inside at night, or in a kennel or fenced yard. I keep my dog in at night. We often have coyotes in my back yard just on the other side of my fence. So I keep my dog inside, even though we don't have wolves.

Now kids on the other hand, that's entirely different. I'd think it much less likely for a kid to be attacked by a wolf. Dogs and wolves, obviously are going to fight. That's only natural and is to be expected.

This isn't a human were talking about here. It's a dog. So lets stay on topic.

[pianoman9701]

i disagree! it was the gov that reintroduced these causing the problem they should be liable. although if the gov is liable that just means you and i have to flip the bill.

I doubt this wolf came from "reintroduced" wolves. Isn't it more likely that the wolves in the North Cascade Mountains got there by walking across the Canadian border?

If it could be proven that the WDFW put this particular wolf in this man's "backyard" then I would agree, the state is liable.

But, I don't think that's the case. Do you?

You know that's a ridiculous argument. It's not about how the wolves got here, but how they're managed (or not managed as is the case). The wolf plan, which to this day protects wolves which the feds have delisted, makes it possible for the wolves to raid man's domain without fear of reprisal. We've trained them to go up on people's porches and kill their pets. We've taught them, long after we should have begun killing them, that there are no dangers for them anywhere in WA. This man's dog wasn't attacked because the man wasn't being responsible. It was attacked because our state isn't being responsible. It's been pandering to the greenies on the wolf issue and the people who live among them are paying the price.

[motg9_6]

 

[motg9_6]

i think to just assume these came out of canada is dumb and trying to pass the blame off the real problem. they were introduced into wyoming shortly there after found in montana, idaho and now washington while over populating all along the way. if you cant see the pattern you need to go back to kindergarten and start playing with puzzles again. the over population of wolves in northern washington is causing cougars to move from the north to the south as well but this is another issue all together.

[bobcat]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

[KFhunter]

wolves are a bit more noticeable than yotes

They won't "fit in" like city yotes, coons, skunks etc

[pianoman9701]

i think to just assume these came out of canada is dumb and trying to pass the blame off the real problem. they were introduced into wyoming shortly there after found in montana, idaho and now washington while over populating all along the way. if you cant see the pattern you need to go back to kindergarten and start playing with puzzles again. the over population of wolves in northern washington is causing cougars to move from the north to the south as well but this is another issue all together.

It's a moot point. It doesn't matter from where they came. We could live with wolves in WA, although that's not my choice. But we could. The wolf plan could've been designed in such a way as to have a reasonable number of breeding pairs and to protect their growth only in the most remote areas of the state, consistent with available wilderness and wild spaces, while protecting the livelihoods and safety of our citizens. But's our state chose to ignore the realities of modern day WA in favor of the wishes of a minority group of wacko greenies. They created a plan which recognizes nothing pertinent - our size, population density, and the safety of our citizens and their property. And again, through their inaction and the tying of our citizens hands, we're training these wolves that they can be anywhere, anytime. It doesn't matter if we had hand-raised them and released them from our backyards. If we showed them from the start that man and his things are off-limits, they'd be elsewhere. This is not the case.

[Smossy]

My argument = I hate wolves, If one ever endangered anyone I know Id kill it and eat it just out of spite, Just like the Korowai tribe, who cannabalize they're rivals.... Grilled wolf anyone?
 
Haha juust kidding, or am I? 

[bobcat]

i think to just assume these came out of canada is dumb and trying to pass the blame off the real problem. they were introduced into wyoming shortly there after found in montana, idaho and now washington while over populating all along the way. if you cant see the pattern you need to go back to kindergarten and start playing with puzzles again. the over population of wolves in northern washington is causing cougars to move from the north to the south as well but this is another issue all together.

What does it really matter where they came from? They're a native species, and they are there!  Don't get mad at me! I don't want them either!

The only thing I'm trying to say is the state is not liable for someone's vet bill because his dog got bit.

I'm surprised with all the people on here who are for a smaller government, yet they want handouts from the government when something like this happens.   

[Smossy]

i think to just assume these came out of canada is dumb and trying to pass the blame off the real problem. they were introduced into wyoming shortly there after found in montana, idaho and now washington while over populating all along the way. if you cant see the pattern you need to go back to kindergarten and start playing with puzzles again. the over population of wolves in northern washington is causing cougars to move from the north to the south as well but this is another issue all together.

What does it really matter where they came from? They're a native species, and they are there!  Don't get mad at me! I don't want them either!

The only thing I'm trying to say is the state is not liable for someone's vet bill because his dog got bit.

I'm surprised with all the people on here who are for a smaller government, yet they want handouts from the government when something like this happens.   

Wheres my obamaphone? 

[pianoman9701]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

Wolves and coyotes are completely different animals with completely different instincts. There is no comparison between the two species at all.

[bobcat]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

Wolves and coyotes are completely different animals with completely different instincts. There is no comparison between the two species at all.

Okay, whatever you say.

[pianoman9701]

i think to just assume these came out of canada is dumb and trying to pass the blame off the real problem. they were introduced into wyoming shortly there after found in montana, idaho and now washington while over populating all along the way. if you cant see the pattern you need to go back to kindergarten and start playing with puzzles again. the over population of wolves in northern washington is causing cougars to move from the north to the south as well but this is another issue all together.

What does it really matter where they came from? They're a native species, and they are there!  Don't get mad at me! I don't want them either!

The only thing I'm trying to say is the state is not liable for someone's vet bill because his dog got bit.

I'm surprised with all the people on here who are for a smaller government, yet they want handouts from the government when something like this happens.   

That's because the government should've said no to the greenies on this one and had a very limited plan. They didn't and now it IS their fault people's pets and livestock are dying.

[Smossy]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

Wolves and coyotes are completely different animals with completely different instincts. There is no comparison between the two species at all.

Sure there are. Doglike hairy creatures, who hunt in packs and will eat/kill almost anything they feel they could get they're hands or paws on. Wolves are like coyotes jacked up on "Valkyrie"