wolf management will cost $2.3 million in 2013

[Special T]

Why don't you ask some one like WAcoyote hunter that lives in the NE that origonally was taking the "lets wait and see" approach to this issue.  I've been a member here long enough to see more than a couple who were "soft" on the wolf issue get a reality check...

I personally think that the WDFW used bad science, did a poor job executing, and has no concept of real followup on this issue. They are being dragged kicking and screaming to adress this issue becuase of a couple of counties that have gotten thier sherrifs/ State reps  involved.

[huntnphool]

Why don't you ask some one like WAcoyote hunter that lives in the NE that origonally was taking the "lets wait and see" approach to this issue.  I've been a member here long enough to see more than a couple who were "soft" on the wolf issue get a reality check...

I personally think that the WDFW used bad science, did a poor job executing, and has no concept of real followup on this issue. They are being dragged kicking and screaming to adress this issue becuase of a couple of counties that have gotten thier sherrifs/ State reps  involved.

+1

[pianoman9701]

Management by the use of science... at least that is what thier Gov mandate is.

And that is what they are doing. They are managing wolves in a way to recover the wolf population statewide. We as hunters may not like that, because we prefer less wolves and more deer and elk for us to eat, rather than the wolves. But the fact that the state isn't managing the wolves in a way to provide the most benefit to YOU, doesn't mean they aren't using science.

I've got to call BS, BC. When they developed a plan that was 50% more agressive than MT's plan with 16 times the population density than MT, they weren't using anything even close to science. They didn't use the experiences of MT, ID, and WY at all. They yeilded to pressure from the wolf lovers and sat silent when Jay Kehne was appointed to the Commission. Many of us here and from the Cattleman's Assn. told them that exactly what's happening now would happen and they ignored all of the warning signs. They are using some science now and it's too late. They're far outspending what they estimated and the wolves are far more entrenched then they will admit because if they told the truth, they'd all be publicly hung.

[buckfvr]

I vote to proceed with the public hanging.......

[pianoman9701]

I just called Sen Benton's office and gave them the figures surrounding the current wolf situation, and requested that he look into having a hearing with the DFW to get to the bottom of this. I told him I believe that we're not getting all of the information that they have. I would encourage others to follow suit with their senators.

[huntnphool]

I just called Sen Benton's office and gave them the figures surrounding the current wold situation, and requested that he look into having a hearing with the DFW to get to the bottom of this. I told him I believe that we're not getting all of the information that they have. I would encourage others to follow suit with their senators.

Great idea

[Northway]

Why don't you ask some one like WAcoyote hunter that lives in the NE that origonally was taking the "lets wait and see" approach to this issue.  I've been a member here long enough to see more than a couple who were "soft" on the wolf issue get a reality check...

I personally think that the WDFW used bad science, did a poor job executing, and has no concept of real followup on this issue. They are being dragged kicking and screaming to adress this issue becuase of a couple of counties that have gotten thier sherrifs/ State reps  involved.

In my opinion, a number of people could be swayed on management issues if you highlight how hardy wolves are. They're not as invincible as some here may claim, but much hardier than a lot of casual non-consumptive conservationists realize. I think if that issue can be highlighted, you might be able to drive a wedge between the casuals and the hardcore, anti-hunting wolf advocate.

For a number of folks, just knowing they are around and not in danger of extirpation or big genetic bottleneck issues would be enough.

[Gringo31]

Don't blame WDFW?

I posted this on another thread but this is a cut paste job off of the hunters safety program (online) that is teaching our new hunters a thing or two about their role in managing wildlife.

If we try to eliminate predators, more animals will die from other causes, including hunting, disease and accidents.

 

[duckmen1]

Bobcat that quote is from the web page of wdfw I did not write that. It specifically says in all those recovery zones.
Look at the full article on wdfw to see it in there

[bobcat]

Bobcat that quote is from the web page of wdfw I did not write that. It specifically says in all those recovery zones.
Look at the full article on wdfw to see it in there

I understand that. What I'm saying is one of the regions is the South Cascades combined with all of western Washington. So if there is a sufficient number of wolves in the South Cascades, there need not be any in all of western Washington. And that would suit me just fine.

[duckmen1]

I kind of get what your saying but remember it says northwest coast to which is the peninsula.
When they are in each of those areas they will quickly spread to the rest of western Washington.

[bobcat]

But why did they make it all one region? Why not have a Olympic Peninsula region and a Willapa Hills region, if they did in fact intend for those areas to become populated with wolves. There are already reports of wolves in the southern Cascades. I assume once those wolves can be officially confirmed, they can declare the region to have been "recovered." I'm hoping they don't get any ideas about moving wolves to the coastal regions, if the wolves don't go there on their own.

[Curly]

Bobcat that quote is from the web page of wdfw I did not write that. It specifically says in all those recovery zones.
Look at the full article on wdfw to see it in there

I understand that. What I'm saying is one of the regions is the South Cascades combined with all of western Washington. So if there is a sufficient number of wolves in the South Cascades, there need not be any in all of western Washington. And that would suit me just fine.

 

http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/graphics/packs_map_20130215.jpg

[gaddy]

bobcat, are you afraid of the wolves?? the eastern side is already seeing the effects of the wolves. delisted by the feds. wash wont delist untill thier goal is met. you seem to be against the state meeting the goal.as long as it stays on the eastern side of the state its ok but you dont want them over on the west side??
thats ok as far as im conserned but you have to let the people on the eastern side deal with them. if not, then yes- take some over there so management can procede.

[duckmen1]

That's a good look at it on the picture. I don't want them in the state period but that's my opinion. We have enough problems already