NY gun confiscation is now a reality

[jackelope]

I grew up in upstate NY and where I lived, more people hunted and owned guns than didn't. Upstate NY is a lot of country folk where I lived, and it still is. UNfortunately like Washington/Olympia, it's the idiots in Albany making the rules.

[arees]

The problem with the County's press release is that they said the problem was that they got information was about the wrong guy.  They never said that confiscating guns based on medical records was wrong, just that you have to correlate the records to the right person.

Now they are off checking to see if the other person has any guns.

I haven't had a chance to read the background material but I have a question.  Did the defense attorney ever say that his client wasn't prescribed the medications?  That would have been a straight forward defense.  Something isn't adding up in the small piece of this I have read.

[Bwana Bob]

Jackelope.
Grew up in the Bronx and moved to hopewell jct in 62. This was only 60 mi from NYC and at 14 I was able to walk through our development with my 20ga and beagle and hunt rabbits ans squirrels. Those times are gone for ever.

[Atroxus]

Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was. 

I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. 

It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake.  It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. 

I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.

I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. 

[brokenvet]

Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was. 

I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. 

It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake.  It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. 

I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.

I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. 

NOT sure where you got info concerning mass confiscation.  Read my first post on this discussion.

[Mudman]

Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was. 

I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. 

It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake.  It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. 

I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.

I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. 

I hear what you are saying, but I will tell ya something else.  Talk to the last generation more and you will find out that the people who wore their tin hats 40years ago were right.  Compare the last 40years with today and you will see the progression.

[csaaphill]

mistake my butt they hoped no one would catch it.
Tresmond is the one who is sueing Ny over the Safe act. H'es doing this all pro bono as well.
But ya dont be so quick to say oh well on this. The Gov's going to use every dirty trick in the book they can on this to get people disarmed.
These laws will not help anyone who needs a Dr's help at all they will start to shy away from getting help if they think their guns will be confiscated.
WHos to say that this DR that turned this guy in wasn't an anti gun DR?

[Mudman]

Listen, this is how I see things progressing.  Lets say Im crazy.  I want to go to Dr. and get help.  If I get my meds I am fine.  SOOO If I do this they will come a knocking and confiscate weapons.  Hmmmm?  No thanks, I wont do it.  One day I feel realllly crazy and go wacko guns a blazing.  How does this law help again?  Plus once confiscation starts and the precedent is established where will it end?

[JJD]

Listen, this is how I see things progressing.  Lets say Im crazy.  I want to go to Dr. and get help.  If I get my meds I am fine.  SOOO If I do this they will come a knocking and confiscate weapons.  Hmmmm?  No thanks, I wont do it.  One day I feel realllly crazy and go wacko guns a blazing.  How does this law help again?  Plus once confiscation starts and the precedent is established where will it end?

Where will it end?  The possiblities are vast and many of them would have the opposite effect of that which said laws were intended.

[Wenatcheejay]

They are just taking guns from people who take certain types of meds is what I am reading? Unless I am missing something? I won't mind seeing guns taken out of the hands of people who need medication to stay sane, I have seen people get off their meds and they are coo coo for cocoa puffs.

This is a very dangerous ideology to support. There is a world of difference between being Adjudicated Mentally Defective and the fact that a person for many, many reasons may have taken SSRI medication at some point in their life. There are many reasons people may have taken medication that have nothing what so ever being mentally defective. HIPPA also protects medical records from this very type of government intrusion. Medical Providers decide if a person is Adjudicated Mentally Defective. If they are they report it. The NRA want those records tied to NCIS. That has always been their position. Nothing has changed. Obama/Bloomberg/State of NY, want to force all medical records under their minions control. They then data sift if and if they can find anything that MIGHT find you unfit of, "moral character" they seize your guns via SWAT. Not to different than the British Soldiers coming to your house in the dark of night. That is wrong, illegal, and in violation of the Bill of Rights.



Supporting the NY version of, "Gun Safety" could very well ban veterans, injured Police Officers, Sherriffs, retired Law Enforcement if they suffer PTSD, victims of violent crime, from guns (who need the rights of self protection most.)

[Mudman]

I bet the returning soldiers in NY with PTSD are getting real jumpy!  Let the exodus begin.

[Wenatcheejay]

I bet the returning soldiers in NY with PTSD are getting real jumpy!  Let the exodus begin.

I feel what is happening is shameful. If a person is found Adjudicated Mentally Defective in court and by Health Professionals, and it is reported  to NCIS, I support it. That is what I believe America wants, that and tough sentencing laws for criminal activity. I also believe that most (Non-Obama worshiping acolytes) want kids as well as all people safe from violence. The argument is how to do it. In my opinion punishing and burdening good guys while empowering and emboldening bad guys is the wrong approach.

[BOWHUNTER45]

what a bunch of Bull sheet ... my blood boils when they are making examples out of people who are not the problem...and why they are getting away with it is beyond me .....

[christopheri]

what a bunch of Bull sheet ... my blood boils when they are making examples out of people who are not the problem...and why they are getting away with it is beyond me .....

You know why they are getting away with it?!!! Because we live in a society were very few are brought up to be responsible for their own safety.The sheeple have been brain washed into thinking that guns are evil and cause crime. No one want to be responsible for themselves any more. Don't get me wrong I support LE however I think if you talk to any cop they will tell you that they can be there in minutes when seconds count. We have been told to not fight back. Give them (thugs) what they want and they will leave... I am with the government I know what is best for you. The whole thing just sickens me!

[Wenatcheejay]

Truth is, I fear they are going to wear everyone down. They have an unlimited amount of money, National News Networks admittedly spout State Propaganda, and Judas, they have AirForce 1 as a partymobile to tout around victims of tragedies like celebrities.

Pop Culture literally has taken over America. Like the economy, we will reap what we sow.